Rebuilt Freeport 7 ?

[tyro]

This wasn't meant to be zonerszonerszonersqq thread.

No, it's "No, because I find your justifications to be unsound". You have made a proposition, and the onus lies on you to demonstrate that it is rational.

In order to start to be convinced, I would want to know what (hypothetical) impact it would have on gameplay in the region, as well as a specific roleplay justification.

Appearance and disappearance of things in this modification, does not depend on the amount of RP associated with it, nor from a practical sense, but the will of the people who decide about this. A long time ago I had a brief conversation with the mod creator and it clearly has been suggested, that every change needs an attorney in person of influential member of the community. so it still works and what people write here about those useless systems only confirms that.

So, you don't like the idea, then ok, it is your choice, I understand.

[Echo 7-7]

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Appearance and disappearance of things in this modification, does not depend on the amount of RP associated with it, nor from a practical sense, but the will of the people who decide about this...

That has certainly been true in the past, but I would hope that a balance can be found in the future.

Who owned them before? Neutral NPCs (Therefore, the whole faction).

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Identifying as a Zoner indicates subscription to that particular lifestyle, not a hierarchically structured organisation with unified asset management.

Player factions exist within the scope of the broader NPC faction with which they are affiliated.

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There was a sig here, once.

[Curios]

Get rid of Failambda first, this will be a nice start in fixing the Sigmas.

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[Trogdor]

Who owned them before? Neutral NPCs (Therefore, the whole faction).

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Identifying as a Zoner indicates subscription to that particular lifestyle, not a hierarchically structured organisation with unified asset management.

If that were true, what justifies the 'Zoners' having ships of their own at all? Why would we have "Zoner" fighters, let alone transports and capital ships and faction-specific guns? And even if they did, would make their tech any less ubiquitous than civ or borderworld tech?
You make the Zoners sound a lot like Freelancers. Less interesting Freelancers. And this scares me because you, being on the dev team, have the capability to completely ruin this faction that I enjoy so much. :B

I think roleplaying a faction that's trying to become its own house, one based on freedom and equality, is much more interesting, and so this is what I push for. Furthermore, the tech (which I'm grateful we still have) makes more sense my way.

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[Arioch]

Keep it on topic guys. This is not a thread about Zoners, but is about Freeport 7. Arguments are starting up regarding Zoners and nothing to do with Freeport 7.

*Hic*

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[Trogdor]

It seemed a good thing to discuss since the original topic seemed to stagnate; no one has come up with a good reason for why FP7 should be rebuilt as FP7.

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[tyro]

Nobody come up with a good reason to rebuild the Freeport 7. It is hard to imagine a reason that will be so valid to convince devs. I don't know what the impact of station location will be at the game. I think that in the current system maps, none. But since Yanagi was removed, there is no neutral station in Sigmas. And theta isn't connected with sigmas.

I personaly wanted to rebuild it just for sentimental reasons. This can be done only if such is the will of dev. team.

Station should be neutral, because it was a Free Port, so it can only belong to Zoners, or Freelancers. The second option is probably better.

With all the sentiment to zoners, recalling problems with them in this discussion can only hurt the idea. Hardly anyone likes faction, which can not be freely shoot. It is useless for this pvp server.

[Syrus]

In previous discussions about rebuilding Freeport 7 it was said that Freeport 9 is just one jump away and therefore there was no point in putting yet another (neutral/)Zoner base in that area. As stated before, now Theta is no longer (directly) connected to the Sigmas AND Yanagi (the most neutral base in the Sigmas) is gone. I don't see anything anywhere specifically stating that Sigma-17 belongs to either Samura or GMG ... or Cryer. Kurile was claimed by Samura before GMG could do so, yes. Cryer has a small(/major) station there. GMG owns almost all "surrounding systems" pretty much, but actually the system is "quite a ways away" from the GMG controlled space, probably the only reason why Samura can "that easily" keep their claim for the planet there.
While Samura has influence on Kurile, the rest of the system is not really secured by them, they would only have security along their supply convoys to and from Kurile.

I could very well imagine people starting to build something in the small scrap field of Freeport 7.

What kind of base was Freeport 7 anyway?
Obviously it was probably the biggest vanilla Zoner base out there.
But why was there a Liberty escort out there?
Was Sigma-17 intended to be connected to Liberty somehow?
Was it clearly stated that Freeport 7 was an actual Zoner base?

I agree on that the Sigmas could use a neutral base around. Freelancer base might be more fitting though. And I think for gameplay sake the FP7 location would be interesting. iRP it is questionable whether a base could be build there without Samura, GMG or Cryer acting up though.

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[xiphos]

In previous discussions about rebuilding Freeport 7 it was said that Freeport 9 is just one jump away and therefore there was no point in putting yet another (neutral/)Zoner base in that area. As stated before, now Theta is no longer (directly) connected to the Sigmas AND Yanagi (the most neutral base in the Sigmas) is gone. I don't see anything anywhere specifically stating that Sigma-17 belongs to either Samura or GMG ... or Cryer. Kurile was claimed by Samura before GMG could do so, yes. Cryer has a small(/major) station there. GMG owns almost all "surrounding systems" pretty much, but actually the system is "quite a ways away" from the GMG controlled space, probably the only reason why Samura can "that easily" keep their claim for the planet there.
While Samura has influence on Kurile, the rest of the system is not really secured by them, they would only have security along their supply convoys to and from Kurile.

I agree on that the Sigmas could use a neutral base around. Freelancer base might be more fitting though. And I think for gameplay sake the FP7 location would be interesting. iRP it is questionable whether a base could be build there without Samura, GMG or Cryer acting up though.

For gameplay reasons Freeport 7's old Location is cool. But not in RP i think.
Yes. Sigma 17 belongs to no one at the moment. Not to Samura, not to the GMG and not to Cryer. And i really can't remember the outcome of the Kurile crisis ages ago... But as mentioned before. Kurile is very important for Samura. So they would do as much as possible to stop the Junkers to build a base near their routes back to Kusari. Same for the Hogosha and their Artifact trade route. And imagine what the Corsairs think about that Base then. That's why i think it's more reasonable for the Junkers to build a hidden Base somewhere in Sigma 17. Only the Location makes no sense imo. Junkers try to hide as much as possible. Atleast in my book.

I could very well imagine people starting to build something in the small scrap field of Freeport 7.

What kind of base was Freeport 7 anyway?
Obviously it was probably the biggest vanilla Zoner base out there.
But why was there a Liberty escort out there?
Was Sigma-17 intended to be connected to Liberty somehow?
Was it clearly stated that Freeport 7 was an actual Zoner base?

I still guess it was a Zoner Base. Only a guess though.

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[tyro]

it is not stated anywhere in the game. we suppose, that it was Zoners like most Freeports, but it could belong to another neutral faction.