(07-23-2014, 01:16 PM)Moriarty. Wrote: What you just said, is sanctionable. btw, this solves a lot of problems, like cloaked BS sneaking up and then suddenly uncloaking, killing you.
Since, before this change, people typed in engagement notices, waited for some time while still sneaking behind, and after ample amount of time, instakill you. Which, as Alley said, is borderline abuse.
Then congrats, you've murdered the meaning to use cloaks on battleships in fleet combat.
The only way around it I see is issuing engagement notice in System chat before engaging the cloak, around 2--4 minutes before the actual attack.
Unless you can tell the me the point of uncloaking my battlefleet (assuming I'm a fleetcom) right behind enemy fleet for the sole reason of staring at the enemy while going through the "Ritual Engagement Notice" and letting him to spread around. Because in around 20 seconds Liberty dreadnought becomes unhittable with normal battleship weaponry.
And yes, expect alot of sanction reports. Because this /setmsg thing will be happenng - either this or engagement notices 4-5 minutes before the actual attack. Uncloaking in enemy formation and then typing a long message is a luxury that can't be really afforded in a fight that lasts seconds
For those who are unaware - a first focused battleship comes down in under 12 seconds in close range large scale fleet combat. The fight itself lasts around 90-120 seconds total, after that it's decided.
It is not about the arguments of a small group of people. The cloaking mechanism was broken in a way that people type in engagement notices seconds before uncloaking and instakilling. Which gives the opposition no way to escape.
Just because some people use cloaks to fight in fleet battles like that, does not mean that this change would completely kill off the possibilities of using a cloak, as some think. Still, a cloak can be used for various purposes. Escaping, sneaking on opposition fleet to analyse their numbers before meeting them in the battle and so on.
EDIT: Speaking of various ways of using a cloak when in fleet battles, after the pew commences, you can cloak in the middle of a fight, sneak upon him and then, could uncloak behind him and go for the kill.
(07-23-2014, 01:36 PM)Moriarty. Wrote: It is not about the arguments of a small group of people. The cloaking mechanism was broken in a way that people type in engagement notices seconds before uncloaking and instakilling. Which gives the opposition no way to escape.
Just because some people use cloaks to fight in fleet battles like that, does not mean that this change would completely kill off the possibilities of using a cloak, as some think. Still, a cloak can be used for various purposes. Escaping, sneaking on opposition fleet to analyse their numbers before meeting them in the battle and so on.
Instakilling was broken. Cloaked fleet combat wasn't, because the side with Light Battleships
1) If cloaked, always had an option to hide their fleet away, just like the side with Heavy battleships - i.e. move them out of the engagement into reserve.
2) If uncloaked, was always starting fight in conditions preferable for it.
Unless you can bring me an example on how to get into efficient firing range with CD-covered Liberty dread while flying a RMBS without the use of Cloaks.
There, again, a decision with helluva "fun" side effects. When initially it was only about the local chat trolling from cloaked ships, nothing else.
Nobody is saying anything about setmsg, Knjaz. It was specifically created to prevent you from having to write long sentences when you -don't- have the time to do it. This applies.
Is it a big deal to wait a few seconds before you shoot him ?
(07-23-2014, 01:42 PM)Alley Wrote: Nobody is saying anything about setmsg, Knjaz. It was specifically created to prevent you from having to write long sentences when you -don't- have the time to do it. This applies.
Is it a big deal to wait a few seconds before you shoot him ?
4-5 seconds tops. Crucial for such engagements.
In 12 a full bot/bat Cau8 battleship dies, if my memory serves me well. Maybe in 8, we had such instances. I'm concerned about this V
(07-23-2014, 01:16 PM)Moriarty. Wrote: What you just said, is sanctionable. btw, this solves a lot of problems, like cloaked BS sneaking up and then suddenly uncloaking, killing you.
Since, before this change, people typed in engagement notices, waited for some time while still sneaking behind, and after ample amount of time, instakill you. Which, as Alley said, is borderline abuse.
But thing is, you'll get increased amounts of /setmsg-after-uncloak. And this just might end up with people calling you "to do something about this."
(07-23-2014, 01:41 PM)Knjaz Wrote: Unless you can bring me an example on how to get into efficient firing range with CD-covered Liberty dread while flying a RMBS without the use of Cloaks.
Woah, calm down.
You are the one who mentioned fleet battle. In a fleet battle, both sides have necessary amount of snubs, cruisers, gbs and BS's to counter each others' sides. If not, it is not a fleet battle imo. If you want to take your RMBS in between the rear of a Lib Dread covered with CD support, you should have necessary backup for it, in terms of snubs/cruisers/gbs to counter the opposition snubs/cruiser/gbs.
You cannot take in a lone RMBS against a swarm of snubs/gbs/cruisers and a Lib Dread and expect to come out with the blue.
(07-23-2014, 01:42 PM)Alley Wrote: Nobody is saying anything about setmsg, Knjaz. It was specifically created to prevent you from having to write long sentences when you -don't- have the time to do it. This applies.
Is it a big deal to wait a few seconds before you shoot him ?
The thing he is trying to point out is it makes sneaking up on someone pointless , cause you totally lose the element of surprise. However this goes for pirates , battleships and anyone who used that style for anything.
A cloak has various uses apart from that. Just because the change nullifies the OP way of usage, doesn't mean that the cloaks are useless. Use the cloaks in other ways, instead of debating over a valid change that has been causing grievance and sanctionable offenses over the past few months.
(07-23-2014, 01:50 PM)Moriarty. Wrote: You are the one who mentioned fleet battle. In a fleet battle, both sides have necessary amount of snubs, cruisers, gbs and BS's to counter others. If not, it is not a fleet battle imo. If you want to take your RMBS in between the rear of a Lib Dread covered with CD support, you should have necessary backup for it, in terms of snubs/cruisers/gbs to counter the opposition snubs/cruiser/gbs.
You cannot take in a lone RMBS against a swarm of snubs/gbs/cruisers and a Lib Dread and expect to come out with the blue.
No, but you still won't get RMBS in range of Liberty Dreadnought without a cloak, given that both fleets know what they're doing. There goes the whole "counter battleships with your battleships" thingie. Right now it was more or less balanced for both sides, because fleet combat was about "Hide your battleships while finding enemy battleships first and cloak-engage them from preferable angle and distance.
You can attempt a cross-fire ofc, using "claw"-like spread-out formation, but it's not quite optimal approach.
Oh well, at least cloaks are still there, and I think I know how to RP engagement notice properly in new conditions while letting battleships to fire away nearly instantly upon uncloaking, there is certain way.
But you'll still get helluva ton of
Quote:0 seconds - Uncloak button.
1'st second - Enter- /l1 -Enter
2nd second Enter -/l2 - Enter
Hold right mouse button.
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