Zoner ID Issue/Improvement

[dierton]

Something missing from this thread: Common sense

It should be RP > Rules. If you're a part of a faction that gets attacked by someone, you should damn well be able to engage him no matter what faction you are. They made it clear that they are hostile, so be hostile towards each other. It's bullshit that only one side would be able to engage while being openly hostile.

"I hate you and want you to die"
"I hate you too, so shoot me then"
"I can't"
"Why not?"
"Some magical force wont let me or else my guns will disappear"

Zoners greatest defense is supposed to be their diplomacy, not a strong defense (with the exception being Nomad relations).

Because all people are totally a hivemind. Nobody is allowed to be different, everybody must wear a grey t-shirt and grey pants. Short, combed hair only for the men and long brushed hair for the women. Independent thought: bad

OH GOD I'M AGREEING WITH TEL THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END

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[Cryer Technologies]

"I hate you and want you to die"
"I hate you too, so shoot me then"
"I can't"
"Why not?"
"Some magical force wont let me or else my guns will disappear"

Can attack any ship in self-defense, to protect another Zoner ship, or in defense of Zoner bases.

Guy pew you first.
Magical force is removed.
Zoner pew in self-defense.
Simple.

//wrong acc.

[dierton]

Guy pew you first.
Magical force is removed.
Zoner pew in self-defense.
Simple.

//wrong acc.

But when you see the guy a few hours later, you can't do anything

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[Cælumaresh]

Zoner ID is good as it is ATM. People who are new (especially those who are new) should just read the ID.
Please stop trying to change the Zoner ID so often.

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[HassLHoFF™]

Yep, the id is fine as it is...Zoners are individually financial strong and have many options to ask for temporary escort and else...which also forwards RP immersion.

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[Eduard]

As far as my experience goes, the current Zoner ID is splendid.

There should be no fear of confrontation as a Zoner's mindset should be directed into avoiding confrontation altogether rather than thinking of the actual confrontation.

It is an RP encouraging ID, in my opinion, as it forces a zoner to prosper by interaction and communication which promotes activity and roleplay.

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[Doria]

Folks... its Tel... don't waste your time... moderators can lock this thread plox, before the hate and tears begin?

[Thyrzul]

And #Thryluz, I understand your frustration and anger with zoners but If that is the case then why do you bother commenting and more over, commenting in a bad way, a not productive one.

"If that is the case..." Well, it's not, if that would be, I wouldn't be a member of a Zoner faction. Why don't you apply a little bit of common sense and think through the possibilities and potential dangers of a combination of the following: unlimited ZoI, access to a complete shipline from snubs to juggernauts, no clear-cut diplomacy (you suggest that people act by their own they make up on the fly), oh, and no "self-defense-only" restriction? Who do you think would play anything else than a Zoner if your idea gets implemented? How do you intend to prevent unlimited freedom ending up in chaos? Nephilim capspam steamrolling over the Houses because their diplomacy towards them is hostile, is that what you want?

In case you haven't spotted the productivity in my post, it lied in a proposal to balance out your idea. Or did you really expect Zoners to gain a perk this massive without losing anything in return?

Maybe being driven by your own emotions and resorting to ad hominem is your way of arguing here, but sure not mine. I got more used to thinking. Oh, and I see you have a hard time typing out my name, but things such as the Ctrl+C - Ctrl+V combo happens to exist for cases like this. You should try it once.

Because all people are totally a hivemind. Nobody is allowed to be different, everybody must wear a grey t-shirt and grey pants. Short, combed hair only for the men and long brushed hair for the women. Independent thought: bad

You can be pretty much anything you want, you only need to pick the correct ID representing yourself. Want to be a warmonger revengeful individual? Pick Xeno, Maquis, HF, Hessian, Rogue, whatever ID, these ones kinda allow that. But let's not be a man dressed as a girl and taking offense at being called transfestite, kay?

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[Omicron]

I am not sure if this is this time again.

Anyway... what would be real incentive to other factions that Zoners would not possess then? In dark future of 9th century, there are only Zoner turf wars? What would be the reason for all other factions to not erase every Freeport in range immediately as soon the "curtain" of neutrality falls due to Zoner shenanigans against factions much superior to them in military might?

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[Zen_Mechanics]

As far as my experience goes, the current Zoner ID is splendid.

There should be no fear of confrontation as a Zoner's mindset should be directed into avoiding confrontation altogether rather than thinking of the actual confrontation.

It is an RP encouraging ID, in my opinion, as it forces a zoner to prosper by interaction and communication which promotes activity and roleplay.

You should tell that to beginners, and especaily to them as all of your points are valid to people who have been here for longer lengths of time, You should also tell the people who do these atrocoties and attack new people who are not quiet familliar with how things work here, mainly the corruption via skype.
You want to equate yourself with your history and reputation with them? You must be joking here. @Thryluz, I thought you said that Indies have no real impact on diplomacy, Would you like me to qoute it for you? Wer'e talking about helping indies here, not factions who know full well that what they do gets back on them. So it's okay to ruin people's fun and then scratch our beards and wonder why this place is dying.

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