(05-07-2015, 10:29 PM)Ayato Wrote: discoverygc has been a haven for refugees from RL who like to think that skypelancing, saying that 2+2=5 when "the party" decides it is, and "might makes right"-admining is a sign of their own mental superiority since... forever.
It's a place maintained by assholes for assholes, by idiots for idiots, who legitimize their crappy behavior through nothing but constant re-affirmation by the assholes and idiots that make up its rotten core.
In 2015, you noticed it too.
Bravo.
Karlotta? Have you rejoined us?
I am eternal. To rejoin, you must first be gone.
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(05-07-2015, 10:29 PM)Ayato Wrote: discoverygc has been a haven for refugees from RL who like to think that skypelancing, saying that 2+2=5 when "the party" decides it is, and "might makes right"-admining is a sign of their own mental superiority since... forever.
It's a place maintained by assholes for assholes, by idiots for idiots, who legitimize their crappy behavior through nothing but constant re-affirmation by the assholes and idiots that make up its rotten core.
In 2015, you noticed it too.
Bravo.
And yet, you keep coming back Karlotta. What does that say about you?
I like playing spaceship games?
I tell you what. I'll kill this alt, and you go ahead and make a dozen more.
(05-07-2015, 10:34 PM)Karlotta Wrote: I am eternal. To rejoin, you must first be gone.
Until next forum account, then.
Back to topic. It was a bad thread. As a lot of people pointed out, it made examples of a situation that wasn't understood by the OP. You can say he could just edit the first post, but we all know the topic would derail with the original subject. It wasn't "swept under the rug" it was shut down before it got out of hand. Normally we'd see threads like those go on for pages before finally getting shut down with no real outcome made.
seriously though those memes seem accurate to me, and no I wasn't involved in any of these situations directly. When stuff like this happens all you can think is 'hey, kinda looks like X is helping Y, but I can't really prove it'. It seems all too often faction leaders, high ranking members, and even admins are doing things that just happen to wind up looking like favoritism, or bias, and there's always some explaination to wash the suspicions away, and we go back to square 1. I'm not so easily swayed, but I accept all we can do as players is be careful and accept that it does happen, just try to avoid it.
Specifically, I will touch on Oyster Creek. I think those involved (faction members, former admins, those closely connected to admins, possible admins) should have just openly said they just want to add another Xenos base. The general oorp opinion seems to be, let it be since they don't have a lot of bases. Problem is, they let players do it all, and the base should be fair game, like any other POB...right? Wrong, that base has a now ultimate meta-shield. The authorities who's job it would be to do something about it do nothing for oorp reasons and cross factional involvement. Not to mention I have never seen a base get away with the RP it does. It does seem very odd that the LSF/LN are busting a guts to get at the Junker bases in PR, whom they're not even actual enemies of, and won't go after an actual enemy installation unquestionably inside their own space. Claiming they don't know about it by this time is just ridiculous, and my question is, how far will the meta-shield extend? Where will a line be drawn?
As to cross factional membership, I personally don't do it. Since it is now allowed (whereas I believe it wasn't always, I'm not that old here) there's nothing I can do but be careful of who I RP and interact with. There are those whom I 've become aware do play opposing factions. Some that see it as 'all in good fun' don't realize how this can kill RP of others who have been carefully RP'ing and working to keep their activities consistent. Since the rules won't prevent this metagaming, I have to protect myself as a player. Players that do actively bounce between opposing factions, and I find out, i avoid at all costs. I know population is not what it once was, but I'm still not supportive of letting those reigns loose. It not only leads to meta-gaming, but oorp collaboration among enemies that should normally not be collaborating, and especially not secret, unofficial, oorp collaboration without open disclosure to the population at large. The toughest part is, we all have our suspicions but can only go so far to make accusations, since they'll get shot down immediately anyways, by players that 'know better'. It won't change my opinion, and all we can do is protect ourselves.
Oyster Creek, if the LN choose to acknowledge it, would result in its immediate destruction from a lolNS fleet (see the fleet size in the New London event and pending Leeds event)
LN/LSF has had issues time and time again with regards to LF, leading (over time) to a more heavy handed response
Keep in mind neither station has had an attack threads issued against it, there is nothing stopping an indy from making the same attack threads (provided we don't have another Hone type issue)
(05-07-2015, 10:29 PM)Ayato Wrote: discoverygc has been a haven for refugees from RL who like to think that skypelancing, saying that 2+2=5 when "the party" decides it is, and "might makes right"-admining is a sign of their own mental superiority since... forever.
It's a place maintained by assholes for assholes, by idiots for idiots, who legitimize their crappy behavior through nothing but constant re-affirmation by the assholes and idiots that make up its rotten core.
In 2015, you noticed it too.
Bravo.
And yet, you keep coming back Karlotta. What does that say about you?
I like playing spaceship games?
I tell you what. I'll kill this alt, and you go ahead and make a dozen more.
(05-08-2015, 12:27 AM)Captain_Nemo Wrote: Oyster Creek, if the LN choose to acknowledge it, would result in its immediate destruction from a lolNS fleet (see the fleet size in the New London event and pending Leeds event)
LN/LSF has had issues time and time again with regards to LF, leading (over time) to a more heavy handed response
Keep in mind neither station has had an attack threads issued against it, there is nothing stopping an indy from making the same attack threads (provided we don't have another Hone type issue)
LN know it exists, they even sent guys out to it. But enough RP was done to cover it up, so inRP, as far as the LN and all lawfuls know, its a Freelancer station. OORP everyone knows what it is, but InRP? The lawfuls have no idea that its Xeno operated. If I'm not mistaken, the LN went out with 2-3 guys, RP'd with the base owner and cleared it. InRP, the coverup operation was a success so I don't know what there is to cry wolf over when. InRP, the base's cover has not been blown to the lawfuls yet
(05-07-2015, 11:56 PM)TheUnforgiven Wrote: Specifically, I will touch on Oyster Creek. I think those involved (faction members, former admins, those closely connected to admins, possible admins) should have just openly said they just want to add another Xenos base. The general oorp opinion seems to be, let it be since they don't have a lot of bases. Problem is, they let players do it all, and the base should be fair game, like any other POB...right? Wrong, that base has a now ultimate meta-shield. The authorities who's job it would be to do something about it do nothing for oorp reasons and cross factional involvement. Not to mention I have never seen a base get away with the RP it does. It does seem very odd that the LSF/LN are busting a guts to get at the Junker bases in PR, whom they're not even actual enemies of, and won't go after an actual enemy installation unquestionably inside their own space. Claiming they don't know about it by this time is just ridiculous, and my question is, how far will the meta-shield extend? Where will a line be drawn?
This is pure baloney. Please see below.
I'm just going to put this as simply as I can. Please tell me how - inRP - anyone knows that Oyster Creek belongs to the Xenos. And please don't mention the Base Status page. The base has been identified in several reports as "belonging to Xenos" yet there is only one legitimate report that provides any smidgen of proof that that may actually be the case. Why hasn't that been acted upon, you ask in the memes above? I honestly don't know. My skype is depressingly quiet and I'm not buddies with any of the faction leaders or anything like that. I'm not panicing about the Navy Dread taskforce rocking up just yet, but have been watching the comms thread waiting for some fairly hard-to-answer questions to pop up.
I have not and never will ask for preferential treatment and wish people would stop pointing at me with their crybaby faces on when their own bases are under threat. The base got moved at core one due to a forum error months ago. I'm not hiding behind that. I'll assume that this cheap shot is the only one Junkers can afford at the moment with their expensive lawsuit ongoing.
I'd also like to point out there was plenty of forum RP around an inspection of the base, during which no ties to the Xenos were found (other than trace amounts of duct tape). For all intents and purposes, it's a Zoner installation, you just can't tell because I left no metagaming information for you, try reading the inRP forums. I'm not in some sort of meta-bubble like is made out above, in fact the meta comes from those who say "Destroy that Xeno base that I only know is Xeno cos I read |nfra's threads" when there is no actual inRP grounds to do it.
So I'll make it easy on you, person who knows who you are by repeatedly pointing the finger at my base. Build a case - a believable and above all else inRP case - against the Xeno base. But if I were you I would worry about my own problems first.