(07-26-2015, 12:50 AM)Lythrilux Wrote: The big problem with Congress was (which was what they paid for with the loss of the POBs, community and staff backlash, as well as diplomatic backlashes) is that they were very fond of putting their faction first and pretending that everyone else on the server didn't exist. This mentality was perpetuated by the previous 1ic JT (and the HC if they even had one? I've heard that the organizational structure of Congress was non-existent) and was taught from member to member in the faction.
I read up to this point... no wait... skimmed... and i couldnt read any more before wanting to puke.
As an ex-congress member I have to disagree with you quite strongly.
I am also quite interested in your sources too.
Edit: okay i skimmed a bit more and i reaks of "my faction is better than yours" lmao
I really want to apologize for starting this again. I just wanted to make the point about the trial and the gun incident shouldn't have been judged against the entire faction.
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(07-26-2015, 01:42 AM)Tyria.Regalia Wrote: I really want to apologize for starting this again. I just wanted to make the point about the trial and the gun incident shouldn't have been judged against the entire faction.
Not when they are pertinent to the present. In the case of Rachel Baker, her views, while possibly being misinterpreted. Are being levied against her, and not the Navy as a whole.
(07-26-2015, 12:07 AM)TheUnforgiven Wrote: The haters hated, and it all added up. Personally, although being good friends with many of the long time members, and most active members (at the time), gaining close relations with the leadership also eluded me. The RP with Infrared regarding Serpentis seemed to go completely unheeded, and I never knew if that was because they didn't like it, didn't follow the lead I was trying to give them, or were just simply far to occupied to give it much thought.
If you could please PM, I'm not really sure what you meant here. There were a few times our paths crossed and I kind of saw this RP rivalry as open ended, but the truth is with very little support from my own faction there is only so much a unarmed unsheilded transport can do. As for Oyster Creek, which you say "damaged Junker gameplay", although the Congress may see this as a defeat of sorts, the cost of that victory to the XA (probably one of the few real territory victories ever for the XA) wears on me more each day, and my long term goal of reaching Core 5 has already been denied, leaving me with the proverbial red-headed stepchild base and rendering the whole project in my eyes a failure. I was simply trying to achieve something for the faction I am a member of, one that is an enemy to the Congress.
I'm open to ideas and input as to how to try and reignite this one, I think some communication between the opposing parties would be beneficial to see if any good can come of it.
Well there was nothing wrong with any of your roleplay, and it was indeed open ended. But from my stance I sort of gave the congress the chance to have a say in what went on and there wasn't much guidance or interest shown. It wasn't the end of the world, I carried on as per my usual routine. As to Oyster Creek, it did damage Junker morale as an inrp victory for the XA, but not was the final straw. I know that equally it was a morale booster for you and your crew involved, that's the way it worked out. The encounters that followed were all decent and fun! And yes perhaps due to the way the conflict played out over the long term it was well earned. But it did have its effect, even if purely psychological after a certain point.
(07-26-2015, 12:50 AM)Lythrilux Wrote: It was a solid time for Congress but irritated other players as not only did it harm roleplay interactions for the server, but it also caused distress to the other Junker players who continuously warned Congress that jumping Pscrap would ruin the commodity for all Junkers. Lo and behold, look at what happened. Noticed how general Junker activity has been falling in recent months?
I know you guys saw it that way but I still disagree with that perspective. I saw a large group of players all having fun and benefiting from it, and many other players did from that. Money flows around. Besides, as I usually wind up saying, it was the complaining that had more of a negative impact than the actual gameplay.
(07-26-2015, 12:07 AM)TheUnforgiven Wrote: The haters hated, and it all added up. Personally, although being good friends with many of the long time members, and most active members (at the time), gaining close relations with the leadership also eluded me. The RP with Infrared regarding Serpentis seemed to go completely unheeded, and I never knew if that was because they didn't like it, didn't follow the lead I was trying to give them, or were just simply far to occupied to give it much thought.
If you could please PM, I'm not really sure what you meant here. There were a few times our paths crossed and I kind of saw this RP rivalry as open ended, but the truth is with very little support from my own faction there is only so much a unarmed unsheilded transport can do. As for Oyster Creek, which you say "damaged Junker gameplay", although the Congress may see this as a defeat of sorts, the cost of that victory to the XA (probably one of the few real territory victories ever for the XA) wears on me more each day, and my long term goal of reaching Core 5 has already been denied, leaving me with the proverbial red-headed stepchild base and rendering the whole project in my eyes a failure. I was simply trying to achieve something for the faction I am a member of, one that is an enemy to the Congress.
I'm open to ideas and input as to how to try and reignite this one, I think some communication between the opposing parties would be beneficial to see if any good can come of it.
As to Oyster Creek, it did damage Junker morale as an inrp victory for the XA, but not was the final straw. I know that equally it was a morale booster for you and your crew involved, that's the way it worked out. The encounters that followed were all decent and fun! And yes perhaps due to the way the conflict played out over the long term it was well earned. But it did have its effect, even if purely psychological after a certain point.
Oyster Creek was rather minimal compared to us taking over a good amount of the lolberty arti market. I'm still rather amused that nobody from Junkers really got pissy or even cared about it. As for Oyster Creek itself.. ohnoes Xeeneer base in a scrap field you probably wouldn't ever encounter!11!1!! Compared to the Congress's PoB's effects on the population, I'll not shed a single tear.
(07-26-2015, 02:37 AM)Tyria.Regalia Wrote: Not when they are pertinent to the present. In the case of Rachel Baker, her views, while possibly being misinterpreted. Are being levied against her, and not the Navy as a whole.
Okay what do I even have to do with this? I've got nothing against Junker players, I even have Junker characters myself, and so what if Rachel Baker doesn't like Junkers? I have absolutely nothing to do with anything in here, so if you could not invoke my name or my characters in this thread, that would be awesome.
Please, I've already had enough absolutely ridiculous drama and poop-flinging directed my way out of character, for something hugely inconsequential that I did inRP, don't involve me in this or compare two unrelated things.
There is a difference between SAYING something unkind/unpopular, and DOING something hostile/illegal. You know, as long as what was said isn't illegal itself.
The difference here is literally night and day, considering free speech is a protected right in Liberty, while bringing guns and/or giant armed robots into a GOVERNMENT COURTROOM, would be a crime pretty much anywhere. Even despite that course of action, LibGov was still willing to continue that RP in order to try and see things through to a proper end, but the Junker Congress were the ones to step away and discontinue the RP, for a multitude of reasons.
Meanwhile I have, and continue to welcome the possibility of some kind of negative consequence as a result of the things Rachel said. There is however not much that COULD be done to her though, given that nothing she did or said was illegal, and her reason for opening a dialogue to terrorists to begin with was to try and make them see the error of their cause and to surrender.
You're not going to see the LPI- arrest her, she didn't commit a crime.
You MIGHT see her get a reprimand from the Navy, because one particular portion of her statement was pretty aggressive and could generate bad PR.
And we've already seen the statement that "LibGov" agreed was satisfactory as a response to her actions.
Now I've said more than I came here to say, and I've shared my perception of the Junker situation which my situation is being compared to, and that's all. I'm not here to continue this drama-train, I'm not here to continue pointless fights that are happening for no reason.
I'm here to ask everyone to just chill out and let dead horses be dead horses, and to not bring me into stuff I'm not involved with.
Congress was a victim of their success, more then anything else. It was guilty of not paying atention to the fact that there was a server out there, there were other factions and other threads to follow.
The over concentration on jump trading while neglecting everything else, the rush for "shinny" toys, the complete disregard of sensible faction goals and pursuit of influence and perks among the underworld, the abandoning of smuggling as main activity, the almost criminal neglect of the furthering of relations with other factions (Congress leadership refused to acknowledge several pleas from members to establish propper faction perks and green cells), the aloofness if not complete ignorance to what was hapening in other houses then Liberty (we used to be allies of GC and had their tech available, we used to be on very good terms with hessians, zoners and mollys) turned Congress into a monstruosity in role play terms. Basicaly all Congress did was waiting for leadership to log and ...jump. That lasted years.
Xeno hunting, smuggling, pursuit of diplomatic efforts with underground factions, diplomatic efforts with factions we should be closer (IMG, TAZ, BD come to mind), propper alliances with emergent friendly factions like AFC, and eficient containement of what was perceived as an arrivist bunch, (take it in role play terms, Marauders should have been defused underworld way), the pursuit of the war effort on Bretonia side, was all ignored and disregarded in favour of base management and jump trading. That is not what junkers lore hints at, junkers are not suposed to be a trade company.
Tinkerbell, Hawk and Tyber didn't steered Congress in this direction. Tinker was a visionary, Hawk was a shady underworld leader, Tyber was a role player and a story teller. JT was a populist, he steered the faction towards what he perceived was the general ambition of the common player, the pursuit of wealth. Therefore he did just did that while going on recruiting sprees, more people meant more scapp, more jumps, more bases. It did not meant better junkers though. He meant well and JT was, if anything, devoted to Congress and our members, he was also impervious to anything else or to other views then his own.
Congress bloated and eventualy imploded due to the shallowness of its goals, Hug might have his heart in the right place but unless he dares to steer the Congress towards its underworld neglected origins, and start assigning people to ranks and roles, the herculean task ahead of him is bound to fail.
The Congress demise had terrible consequences to the server though, as you can notice by the amazing drop in activity. The server powers should have used a diferent aproach, a stick and carrot one, to correct Congress excesses, instead of fueling the flames of hatred. Like it happened to Zoners, Congress, which was also a more or less pacific group,took the isolationist aproach against the wolf siege,we decided to bury our heads in the sand while the server was set to fire by the admins and devs that played lyra while contemplating the flames, oblivious to the fact that erradicating the Congress would bring the server down.
When the zoners were all but mass murdered in the server the population was big enough to be able to take the hit, when the progrom against Congress was unleashed the consequences for the server population should have been evident. As severe as the impending apocalypse in two months time.
I don't think that Congress can be brought back to life, same as we do not se an active large zoner faction or a living dodo either. Regardless of what intentions the present leadership of the Congress might had, they will not be allowed to rebuild, the hyenas will be vigilant and will stop any atempt of recovery. Congress is dead, as the dodo, and the server.
A faction is only dead if the members are gone . How is your group doing?
I mean... A few falls is all that it takes to break your moral fully?
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