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[GamerGirl]

you think your argumentation gives you the right beeing the only lvl5 base with less than 7 k from a mining field when all other fields are removed from pob's? you think youre the only one group which has pirates to avoid or seen in the field ? yours little bastion is a piece of cake - no miner can be threatened there !

There are more bases still in the fields. And did you read what i said about the pob and weapon platforms? It gives you no security at all for safe mining.

you dont even have to change the system for another commodity ! youre using civilian ships ?- congratulations now your chance of beeing pirated is the same as everyone else has !

toys ? kruger hasnt got ? daumann hasnt got, samura hasnt got, Ageira hasnt got, ..... so what ? if you want toys - buy them Kruger isnt poor !

You are right more factions do not have access to nice toys, but they do not have the same problems as kruger and you forget the powercore nerfs, that make some ships entirely useless. And still we need to face the overpowered hostiles attacking us. You are complaining because and while you have a base in the munich system. The aluminium ore is sold for almost 8k already at narita and makes it a short and rather safe route already, compare it with Cobalt or Silver ore and Kruger reputation with for example GMG and not being able to dock in sigma’s in many spots. The Munich system is not directly passing a high traffic lane and connecting 2 houses to each other like the omega´s do. Now with other factions like daumann, samura and many others having at least a rather safe spot to mine and ‘’more’’ spots to mine. (Not so highly traffic and dangerous spots like Kruger have) It is pretty imbalanced on the side of Kruger, add it with a tad more hostiles on the way and in omegas the swarm of activity that made it also many times useless to mine or to fight. You could have wait hours and hope you could mine a cargo full. We all know unlawfulls look at the playerlist and with only that spot to mine. It is not hard to relog and have full profit is it not? The only protection the station gives now is from the capital ships, the small and the most dangerous ships (bombers) are still a big thorn in the eye.

[Bauxite Minerial Extraction]

i gave myself a few days time to think if i will answer but as you only see your way - ok needles to show you how really and unbelieveable hard it is for kruger:

i'd like to point out exact (this now is a "daumann view"):
"And did you read what i said about the pob and weapon platforms?" yes kruger - you - did build them so deal with it

"You are right more factions do not have access to nice toys" i dont see any restrictions for buying toys as a kruger and what do have toys to do with this thread ?

" but they do not have the same problems as kruger and you forget the powercore nerfs, that make some ships entirely useless"
what problems ? the only sigma systemS (<- plural) you need to pass is sigma13 - and gmg isnt RED to you - you only cant dock - you know that for example samura cant, too ? powercore nerfs ? you mean hesians coming all 6 months ? weve got bundschuh, unioneers, hesians, including dessies and indie pirates in munich - maybe i can ask them to visit O7 !

"You are complaining because and while you have a base in the munich system." NO well i know my english isnt the best but you should be able to see that we are complaining about the moving of a field 58k away from base in this direction that you have to circle the sun, too when going to the field from pob. field was moved now the 3rd time over the last years in munich.

"The aluminium ore is sold for almost 8k already at narita and makes it a short and rather safe route already" and if you ask me personally this is absolutely too close. this distance ruins economy of the server. the only ones having an advantage with this are pirates hanging round in S13. in no other system (except conneticut) you see more often was killed by ... this will increase now. for example junkers, outcasts, corsairs can pirate in 13, in honshu we face hogosha and blood dragons.

"compare it with Cobalt or Silver ore and Kruger reputation with for example GMG and not being able to dock in sigma’s in many spots." told you above - well what need is to dock at GMG bases ? escaping a pirate ? handle him pay him whatever ! well kruger is primary a mining division - but has cooperation partners that do trading primary ! no need to complain about trading routes for kruger
ok comparing: munich has mhhh let me think commodity 1 alu ore, commodity 2 nothing, commodity 3 nothing ---- O7 has 1: Silver ore, 2 Cobalt Ore, 3 copper ore kruger mines all.

"The Munich system is not directly passing a high traffic lane and connecting 2 houses to each other like the omega´s do" sadly true - so you get much more customers. on the other hand youve got 2 exits to relatively safe systems. munich is a dead end: gate to frankfurt 39k away -no escape, hole to frankfurt 16k from field - if you pass youll find yourself next to bruchsal base. bundschuh base Eltmann Moor 18k from field, leipheim - unioneers next to sig 13 hole, lambda is only 1 klick away, too.

"Now with other factions like daumann, samura and many others having at least a rather safe spot to mine and ‘’more’’ spots to mine. (Not so highly traffic and dangerous spots like Kruger have) It is pretty imbalanced on the side of Kruger, add it with a tad more hostiles on the way and in omegas the swarm of activity that made it also many times useless to mine or to fight."
ok lets count how inbalanced this is: O7 seen a) hesians , b) pirates , i never saw there unioneers, and if i remember correct the last corsair threatening a miner is a few years ago ------- Munich: a) hesians, b) pirates, c) bundschuh, d) unioneers, e) VWA (i must say really fair ones) f) corsairs rarely seen outcasts (2 times up to now)
well the traffic you are talking about is 30k south your base (lanes) and in the omegas (plural ?) i think you mean o3 ? well omega 3 is always dangerous - not only for kruger so where is the -Special-Kruger-Disadvantage- ?

site note: again we do not comply about pirates or other factions we did build the base due to rules, rp etc. well you may say its a small one - so what ? what would you do finding your fields 58k away ? rebuilding at a new position unitl lvl5 ?

"You could have wait hours and hope you could mine a cargo full. We all know unlawfulls look at the playerlist and with only that spot to mine. It is not hard to relog and have full profit is it not? The only protection the station gives now is from the capital ships, the small and the most dangerous ships (bombers) are still a big thorn in the eye." as you should know its no security at all for miners outside ! pirates shoot a CD at base shield turns on - your hege gets blown - fact.

additionally to say: changing the supply commodities to e.g. synth paste will give you the next advantage to most other bases. but may be you have forgotten that all bases below lvl 5 have to be supplied with RA, so this is another advantage for reutlingen.

so plz dont tell me about kruger disadvantages here, we arent idiots, we are not dumb, we are not blind we just want to be treated fair and heard

yours Bauxite

[Independent Miners Guild]

There is no justification for having a POB in the field.
The amount of activity and interaction is denied by these POBs is far too big to ignore the negative impact that they have.

And there should not be ANY dockable structure closer than 20 k from fields. POB or NPC, it should not matter.

The attempts to justify these bases or complain about a base that is a few k away are - sorry - ridiculous.

I just hope that the new field placements kill off POB Bases closer than 20 k to fields.

At some point everybody hopefully understands that this game is not about "securely doing the thing you want to do", but about interaction and risk.

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[Lythrilux]

The attempts to justify these bases or complain about a base that is a few k away are - sorry - ridiculous.

Pretty much this. I haven't bothered to read any of the justifications for that reason.

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[GamerGirl]

First of all you are really turning it into something where you got offended because of:

"You are complaining because and while you have a base in the munich system." NO well i know my english isnt the best but you should be able to see that we are complaining about the moving of a field 58k away from base in this direction that you have to circle the sun, too when going to the field from pob. field was moved now the 3rd time over the last years in munich.

THis is your true reason you even point it out is several points in this topic.

so plz dont tell me about kruger disadvantages here, we arent idiots, we are not dumb, we are not blind we just want to be treated fair and heard

yours Bauxite

"compare it with Cobalt or Silver ore and Kruger reputation with for example GMG and not being able to dock in sigma’s in many spots." told you above - well what need is to dock at GMG bases ? escaping a pirate ? handle him pay him whatever ! well kruger is primary a mining division - but has cooperation partners that do trading primary ! no need to complain about trading routes for kruger
ok comparing: munich has mhhh let me think commodity 1 alu ore, commodity 2 nothing, commodity 3 nothing ---- O7 has 1: Silver ore, 2 Cobalt Ore, 3 copper ore kruger mines all.

Kruger miners only cobalt and silver. Also the GMG disallow us to enter the space and if found you get shot or you have to turn around. Now Bauxite, please next time you want to sell your aluminium ore and you see a gmg online, please take the route to bretonia, to safely sell your cargo. Sadly and lucky for us our enemies and major competitions are pretty active factions. About omega 7 having 3 different ores.. You told the answer why already in your reply. Munich is a dead end, its not that high traffic and makes it not a good hot spot for pirates. The omega's were always intended to be a hot spot for that. And you forget the corporate warfare between factions as daumann, bmm, kruger, gmg, img and so on. Your comparison is just not the same.

"Now with other factions like daumann, samura and many others having at least a rather safe spot to mine and ‘’more’’ spots to mine. (Not so highly traffic and dangerous spots like Kruger have) It is pretty imbalanced on the side of Kruger, add it with a tad more hostiles on the way and in omegas the swarm of activity that made it also many times useless to mine or to fight."
ok lets count how inbalanced this is: O7 seen a) hesians , b) pirates , i never saw there unioneers, and if i remember correct the last corsair threatening a miner is a few years ago ------- Munich: a) hesians, b) pirates, c) bundschuh, d) unioneers, e) VWA (i must say really fair ones) f) corsairs rarely seen outcasts (2 times up to now)
well the traffic you are talking about is 30k south your base (lanes) and in the omegas (plural ?) i think you mean o3 ? well omega 3 is always dangerous - not only for kruger so where is the -Special-Kruger-Disadvantage- ?

site note: again we do not comply about pirates or other factions we did build the base due to rules, rp etc. well you may say its a small one - so what ? what would you do finding your fields 58k away ? rebuilding at a new position unitl lvl5 ?

Sigh.. You are referring again to your moved fields 3x in a few years? The fields in munich, were long not changed the locations. I asked around and everyone told me it was the same from at least 4.86. And so the begin of the playerbases? But even without Reutlingen gone it would be close to a npc base to dock. This is the same in tau 23 and even in munich the mining fields are not that far from the npc bases.

so plz dont tell me about kruger disadvantages here, we arent idiots, we are not dumb, we are not blind we just want to be treated fair and heard

yours Bauxite

Well today there was a big fight with a lot of SCRA and RHA. a lot of fighters/bombers and a cruiser and gunboat in omega 7. We were heavy outnumbered and I was the first to die. Now with the beginning it was 6 snubs vs 3 of us. It end kruger even being more outnumbered even with having a bit of help of RM. Still the SCRA/RHA had incomming support a gunboat and a cruiser. So we had to try and hope them to fall for reutlingen so we could fight back a little to equal the odds. These fights usually takes a long time and during that time you can only try to fight with them. We do not complain, but if you die you are pvp death and may not enter the system anymore. So we cannot mine from that time anymore in omega 7. But you drift too much away from to OP, this is my last response on it. Because it has nothing to do with it anymore.

[Geolog]

There is no justification for having a POB in the field.

Learn how to pirate Jack.

Who says it's impossible to pirate? This is how it's done:


Some try:



PS: I have never even seen you try to pirate, just QQ how impossible it is.

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[Jack_Henderson]

@Geolog : You're mistaking a valid complaint about player-created ingame-elements with negative impact to gameplay for QQ.

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[Geolog]

@Geolog : You're mistaking a valid complaint about player-created ingame-elements with negative impact to gameplay for QQ.

Challenging and interesting piracy is more fun then easy ''cherry picking'' in the mining field, unless you think that easy piracy is the way to go.

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[jammi]

@Geolog : You're mistaking a valid complaint about player-created ingame-elements with negative impact to gameplay for QQ.

Challenging and interesting piracy is more fun then easy ''cherry picking'' in the mining field, unless you think that easy piracy is the way to go.

The administration evidently disagrees with you considering there are now rules preventing PoBs developing in or near mining fields.

[Geolog]

I guess everyone likes easy pirating and doesn't like easy mining. Very balanced.

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