[Weekday Event] Wartime Supplies (Concluded)

[Jayce]

I think I am gonna have to drizzle a bit of rain here, but it should be reminded to everyone that the outcome of this event was already decided on by the development team and the factions involved. These events are mostly for activity boosting and something for players to do.

Okay then, I won't be participating, nor will a great deal of the GRN playerbase. Why would I spend my time on an event where my actions won't impact the outcome? I could just powertrade a normal route instead.

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[Atreides2]

Well , to be fair nobody expected an OC attack. However all is fair in love and war ,n'est pas ?

Plus have to say ,this attack gave some more ideas for CR and i think that was the beneficial bit of it for the future and also will see the implication of each and everyone of us. However what were k'hara and Aoi doing in the same system ,at the same time as the first attack is something like a big coincidence?!?.

But overral is still a game and each plays their own style.

( btw also I see that you people now really wants a blue message , i mean really. )

All been said let's just play the damn game and stop eith Q_Q and the meme posts around.

[Mao]

I think I am gonna have to drizzle a bit of rain here, but it should be reminded to everyone that the outcome of this event was already decided on by the development team and the factions involved. These events are mostly for activity boosting and something for players to do.

Just curious here: If GRN could win both events (fighting and trading), they would still lose?

[Sombs]

Yes.

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[sindroms]

Unless devs have an interesting alternative they want to kick in - especially with the recent participation with the Outcasts, seems so.

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[Jack_Henderson]

I do not understand why factions have not yet made "bonus boards" for the event. It's clearly said that it is low profit and that factions are meant to invest something.

Furthermore, I agree with the voices that there could be some incentive to GRN players to actually step up to the event. I mean, there are incentives that can motivate without halting/reversing the dev-made progression of the story line. Like... if GRN manages, one of their Valors gets a funky CAU9 for 3 weeks, or something along these lines. It would not break the event, nor the story line, and add some oorp incentive.

It would definitely make more sense than trying to weave an alternative storyline in which many of the the same players - after they cannot win on GRN ships due to event setup and story line - do not even play in the event, but try to "win" on an alternative ID. Because - sadly - that's for sure what it looks like at the moment.

[Sombs]

I do not understand why factions have not yet made "bonus boards" for the event. It's clearly said that it is low profit and that factions are meant to invest something.

Furthermore, I agree with the voices that there could be some incentive to GRN players to actually step up to the event. I mean, there are incentives that can motivate without halting/reversing the dev-made progression of the story line. Like... if GRN manages, one of their Valors gets a funky CAU9 for 3 weeks, or something along these lines. It would not break the event, nor the story line, and add some oorp incentive.

It would definitely make more sense than trying to weave an alternative storyline in which many of the the same players - after they cannot win on GRN ships due to event setup and story line - do not even play in the event, but try to "win" on an alternative ID. Because - sadly - that's for sure what it looks like at the moment.

1. Why would people invest the money they have earned or powertraded in hours and hours into an event that is already pre-scripted? See, OSI was making a subsidy for the armament deliveries of FP11 because it would actually change something that wasn't pre-scripted unlike the rest of it. But seriously, do you think additional bounty money actually makes partaking in PvP events more interesting, when you simply can ore-trade or wait for the next trade event where you can get 50.000.000 bonus credits for a risky 20 minute flight?
2. Why would GRN invest in something like this when the bounty money would be the thing they get back anyway, while the money for supplies is simply moving to silent traders? The situation in the Omicrons was a bit different, as bigger factions where involved, with ties to major parts of Sirius, while it was also a bottleneck. In the Taus, that is different.
3. The stakes should be something real-ish, not something that is temporary. The reward needs to be something that isn't infinite, like money. It should be something that is really worth logging, like a Scientific Data reward, or a massive one-time-PoB warship that requires hours to be destroyed. The latter would even motivate to log more often to damage the pob even further, while the other side could counterlog for that.
4. Again, stop acting like the PoB siege is a big thing in terms of time and ressource relocation. There are too many arguments speaking against it. Apart from that, you could maybe put the personal view aside, because the PoB siege is not a counter-reaction to the event. I don't know why you think that, but I know for fact that the plans for the siege, followed by the first RP posts regarding it, were there before the second event of the Tau thing was there, and before it was public and quasi-greened that the outcome of this event is already pre-scripted.

There might be some players that might have acted like the way you described it in your conspiracy theory, but I believe it's much more simple: Some people didn't care about the Tau event in first place, but had the motivation to do another siege, from memers, for memers, against memers.

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[Jack_Henderson]

It should be something that is really worth logging, like a Scientific Data reward, or a massive one-time-PoB warship that requires hours to be destroyed.

Wasn't something like this planned in the Tau 44 event series anyway? But I fully agree: some sort of incentive to make people log and take part in their event (I mean, it was made for you! How often do you get something in Disco that is for you?) is needed.

Likely I am too much of an idealist when I assume that if you are given an opportunity to do something "outside of the ordinary", factions you would take it and use it - even without the incentives.

4. Again, stop acting like the PoB siege is a big thing in terms of time and ressource relocation.

I did not say anything about that in my last post. It is a fact though, that the siege threat made Tau 44 cap fights impossible as CR had to move their stuff back to Coronado. So, yes: it is a real thing. But as GRN does not seem interested in Tau 44 fighting (and CR has not been pushing for it either much), this can be seen as "the end of the on server pewpew" episode. 3 organised fights, and it's over. That's pretty sad when compared to the past. Especially, when looking at the plans for Tau 44 with near-indestructible POB flag ships, and pews and stuff. For me at least, it does not look as if there was a basis for that any more. And that's really sad. The decision to derail and to force focus away from the event is at least partially to blame for it in my view.


Plus: you cannot convince me that this is not a "we boycot and win on another ID" move. I have been on Disco for too long to buy your "It's totally not that", and you even said yourself that some might have made it look like it.

[Sombs]

Plus: you cannot convince me that this is not a "we boycot and win on another ID" move. I have been on Disco for too long to buy your "It's totally not that", and you even said yourself that some might have made it look like it.

Yeah, it's called common sense to say that, because neither you nor I can see into the head of the people, even when you think you can guess everyone's intentions. So let's rather stay within the facts, and while I surely don't need to name people here, it should be obvious that Gallia-related stuff is less popular than for example the Maltese-related stuff with it's many inofficial factions, a way more powerful ID that has a ZoI in all the active spots of Discovery (Liberty, Bretonia, Omicrons) and capital ship access while also having one of the more fleshed-out and versatile lore offers. There are so many anchor points the OCs have the Gallics don't have, as they are simply mad french people.

So, yeah, conspiracy theories are always hilarious, but they are theory.

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[Omi]

Jack is, as usual, incapable of seeing anything outside his own narrow worldview. The idea that GRN players might have stopped logging into Tau-44 simply because they weren't having fun hasn't occurred to him yet, because having a higher killcount is, to him, a sure-fire indicator that we are still the devil. This is in complete ignorance of the fact that anything with a GRN| tag is, these days, promptly treated as if it were a DPC member and bludgeoned to death with an entire combined fleet worth of snubs and caps.

Of course, Jack wouldn't know this either since he hasn't touched anything GRN IDed since around 2014.

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