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Croft · (This post was last modified: 02-20-2017, 02:23 AM by Croft.)

My and Nemo just had two hours wasted by your group for a couple of cheap kills on a freighter and unarmed transport, I am not impressed to say the least. I would recommend paying attention to the RP of your fellow Outcast groups and actually stick to your chosen route, the demand went from credits, to docking and finally the "alternate" options of Cardamine or die, or Cardamine or die.

You guys are veterans for goodness sake, please don't waste peoples time like this.

Edit: Just to show that I'm being literal with the time wasted, heres when the RP began.
[19.02.2017 23:00:42] L\-'Jinx': Hai. But what is your name, tomo?

and here is when it ended.

[20.02.2017 00:42:26] Death: >\./<Jimmy.The.Rat was put out of action by L\-'Asesino' (Gun).

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Wesker · (This post was last modified: 02-20-2017, 02:27 AM by Wesker.)

I was only told the situation was you refusing to take cardamine, I never demanded money. That being said, that's unlawful RP for you, that's aggressive RP for you. I had no intention of going there to kill both of you, I went there to RP and make a statement. I don't know about the rest of the people present but I (Ezio) had my demands set out straight from when I arrived to when I left. If you had taken the cardamine, we would've let you go, you refused and made a big deal out of it using your character's morals as the reasoning. I have no problem with that, every character should have a set of morals and beliefs, that's what makes a character a character. That's the reason I RPd with the tone I did.

It wasn't a waste of time if you ask me, unless you'd prefer for us to just shoot you faster. I decided to RP a lot longer than I frequently do.

Stoner_Steve · 02-20-2017, 02:27 AM,

So we're supposed to be grateful that you RP'ed with us before killing ganking us....oh boy

Wesker · 02-20-2017, 02:29 AM,

(02-20-2017, 02:27 AM)Captain_Nemo Wrote: So we're supposed to be grateful that you RP'ed with us before killing ganking us....oh boy

Well would you prefer for us to just shoot you with minimal RP? This is an RP server right?

"Ganking" oh please, what did you want, for me or vasko to duel you? Wouldn't of mattered if it was just one of us or all of us, you would've ended up dead.

**Kauket** · (This post was last modified: 02-20-2017, 04:24 AM by Kauket.)

I don't think people tend to realise that this universe is supposed to be dystopian, full of death, darkness and anger. And I read the message dump logs, albeit skimmed a lot, it seems that the Commune were provoking them into doing things, stating that they were "powerless" - causing them to 'prove their power' in Maltese Space. It's actually a part of the Maltese Law for all transports requiring Cardamine in their hold to leave. (or at least, the old one was, not sure about the new one)

Had the transports simply complied and got Cardamine, they could have survived, or if the Commune didn't provoke them as hard, they may have gone a bit more lightly about it. They probably ganked you to stop you from insta-docking on the bases. (dunno where the fight happened though but just saying for perspective. )

Interesting read either way.

Croft · (This post was last modified: 02-20-2017, 12:54 PM by Croft.)

I have the logs of all three demands spanning the two hours if you'd like to read through them Wesker. You may have demanded we take cardamine but before that we were asked for credits then demanded to dock on Valetta, which was somewhat poetic after your members actually stopped and accused us of spying by landing on Valetta. We were quite literally on the Tau 37 jumphole when we were told to go back, there was no mention of cardamine until after we were told to return.

Omicron Tau Chatlog

The icing of course was your group utterly ignored the Commune, shifting your reasoning from "I'm not getting paid" ([19.02.2017 23:19:17] L\-'Asesino': Someone is going to pay us.) to "Well you didn't help us" ([20.02.2017 00:07:48] L\-Eliza.Valdez: For you? That's all fine and dandy. But rules and traditions are rules and traditions though.) til finally we arrived at the "You can't leave without cardamine" ([20.02.2017 00:09:39] L\-Eliza.Valdez: As such it's common courtesy for people to leave our beautiful system with holds full of cardamine.)

Now it may be "unlawful RP" but running over existing RP of two characters who are older than your entire faction, hell older than the National Council, just so your group could appear powerful is not "unlawful RP" It is concieted, disrespectful and thoroughly inconsiderate powergaming. If you guys are truly interesting in becoming an official faction for the Maltese I would ask that you respect established RP rather than ignore it, because after our meeting I can honestly say I have no interest in returning to Malta if this is the treatment I'll get.

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Arbs · 02-20-2017, 01:02 PM,

Hey guys.

Who is Chacal? XD

Backo · 02-20-2017, 01:46 PM,

@Croft
While ooRP we respect your RP with the commune and old chars, we cannot let it influence our RP doctrine and the goals Legion Maltesa had set itself inRP. Furthermore I do not believe Legion Maltesa has in any way to know of your private deals with Commune to take them into account. You were given a clean way to get out free, in fact you were begged to accept it for over 30 minutes, hell you could've just dropped the cardamine and destroyed it once outside of Alpha (it would've made perfect sense inRP as well if you character wanted to get out safe but really hated cardamine that much) and you would've still been home free, but instead your own (or your characters') stubbornness to follow "the code" was what resulted in the exchange of tachyon fire which, mind you, you were very much aware of as the consequences for declining the offer.

@Arbs
We are glad interest in the identity of Chacal spans outside of our faction's playerbase but would like to remind you that this isn't flood.

Croft · (This post was last modified: 02-20-2017, 02:08 PM by Croft.)

Blood, your people were told in person by the leader of the Commune of our deal. Saying that you respect the RP out of game but happily ignore it within amounts to very little, it's the same as Wesker saying he respects Jimmy's code as it makes him a true character but then demand he breaks it. Again this is all after 8 months of working with the Commune without a single issue, without one member of any Outcast faction official or otherwise demanding we take cardamine.

This is the point of the matter, over two hours you forced your way in to a long established deal, one older than your entire faction just because you wanted to. So now the ultimate question is, are you actually going to respect this RP or not? A simple yes or no will do.

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Backo · 02-20-2017, 02:32 PM,

(02-20-2017, 02:06 PM)Croft Wrote: Wesker saying he respects Jimmy's code as it makes him a true character but then demand he breaks it

Just because we respect the RP does not mean we'll bend our own RP to facilitate an easy way of your character's morals and code. That's not how it works. When someone points a gun at your head and demands your wallet and you refuse because of code and such he doesn't let you go freely.

Sometimes we're just forced to do something we do not like. For instance now we'll have a punishment for our actions imposed by the National Council. Actions have consequences for everyone.

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