Also pipping in: The KCW's progress has been slow yes, but that's mostly due to the slow-moving nature of the mod due to a lack of manpower on all fronts. Storyline tends to be slowed down when the whole mod slows down (Models, commodities, system creation/modification etc etc). If you want to speed it along apply to join us. :S If you don't HAVE the skills they can be taught to you and you could have a hand in making the whole process go faster.
Until such a time however please try not to criticize the speed of development too much, we're doing what we can as fast as we can without BREAKING anything. :S
(02-21-2017, 06:24 PM)Tabris Wrote: Until such a time however please try not to criticize the speed of development too much, we're doing what we can as fast as we can without BREAKING anything. :S
Something we all appreciate, as long as things are working better in the end, I myself and I bet many others, don't mind waiting. Let's just it happens before nobody has motivation left..
From a Gallic perspective, Kusari has been the elephant in the room for years now. I have no desire to go against the wishes of Kusari's own players, but the steadfast stonewalling such as the kind outlined in the first post really gets old. Basically - much like a lot of other 'lore' that gets thrown GRN|'s way - my only options are to be an asshole about it or just let the status quo float past and enjoy a quiet life. If I have one more person ask me why Kusari hasn't been made a formal vassal state yet or why they're basically de facto independent despite supposedly being heavily under our influence, I might just go mad. I can't really give any of these questions an iRP answer, and frankly the big 'PISS OFF GALLIA' signs that have come leaking out of KuGov over the years have put me off trying to push anything further on that front for quite a while.
@"Omicega" statements are true and accurate, for we as a collective of players of Kusari did decide with a few Devs against allowing Gallia or Liberty to intervene, without consultation or informing any of the other potential intervening parties.
I'm sorry we have taken such steps, and given the impression we don't want anything to do with Gallia, whatever the status quo between the houses and the individual organizations.
As a personal remark, following the year long stagnation after the invasion of Kyushu, and lack of further updates on the condition of the Imperials [rant](ONE WORD ZOI TEXT EDIT ANYONE!? REALLY.... Throw me a bone here.)[/rant] or anything else, I have suggested internally the plotline of Gallia forced conscription of Kusari officers into their ranks, or even a Kusari Protectorate/ KNF assimilation scenario.
It never gathered enough interest, and even some opposing voices, so it never was seriously discussed, beyond a meme post.
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It's a shame that most of Discovery's playerbase has a hard time seperating their in- and out of roleplay feelings about faction strength and independence. I think a properly "occupied" Kusari would be something new, fresh and unique in Discovery's universe and I would personally really enjoy playing in such an environment - as both the mean Gallics and as the "repressed" Kusarians. Unfortunately it's just really hard for most players to willingly let their preferred house or faction "suffer", even if it could really shake things up (and I'd argue Kusari needs some shaking up).
Apologies if this a bit off topic but I have a question regarding the Imperials ZoI. I was told by another member that you automatically get ZoI in a system and all connected to it if you have an npc base of your ID's faction in said system. If this is true, that would expand Imperial ZoI to include Tottori Hokkaido New Tokyo Shikoku and Rishiri, which would now be a pretty decent chunk of Kusari. Is this correct?
If you want me to be honest, Kusari initially lost whole KNF, save for the stationary ships, planetary squadrons and the self-defence regiments that had no role within Taus. Then there was a coup, Kusari turned Republic for some odd reasons that I cannot really understand - especially in a House in which industrial control of 4 out of 6 system belong to Samura. They would surely secure any possibily of coup...
But that happened yet it's no point discussing it beyond that point. Emperor exiled, Dragons lost faith in Kishiro (enemy of my enemy, etc.), Kusari turned Republic and these are current circumstances. Kusari made a fragile peace with Gallia, suprisingly without much of any stress onto New Kusari, especially with easy access into Kusari from two bordering systems.
Kusari, however, isn't on the very same terms like Empire of Tamriel from The Elder Scrolls. Sorry for bringing up different universe, but at least Aldmeri Dominion and Empire of Tamriel were on relatively equal terms when the war had ended with relative peace and banning Talos worship. But in reality both armies were exhausted and suffered heavy losses and whole White-Gold Concordate is just interim peace to buy Empire time to strike back at the Dominion.
Such a situation doesn't happen in Kusari, however, which - according to story devs - lost much of a core fleet due to stupidity and ambition. Gallia has upper hand and ruined both BAF and KNF back then, kicking into exhausted battlefront and KNF was ruined - so it would be logical to install a Gallic governor rather than allow Kusari to be... whatever it is... especially in wake of Civil War. Up to this day I cannot really find much piece of a rumor if Republic of Kusari is controlled by Gallia or not. However, I always supposed that Gallia let Kusari strive due to pretty obvious reason: economy and imports. I'm not sure if that was retconned or not, but Gallia was said to almost deplete all of their resources onto massive GRN - putting them into pretty much situation like Liberty, which according to the lore do not have any resources - the very reason why there was Liberty Navy (or LSF, it was never explained) in far away Sigmas.
Going off the subject, I can't really understand however how is Bretonia still standing? Kusari had no industry losses as no war (except for domestic one) ever took place on their own soil - but Bretonia? They lost industry and are incapable to create even half of former efficience - according to that, Liberty should be hit as well (remember, Liberty heavily depends on imports because no resources). I'm asking, because I do not really think Rheinland would be, after past war with Liberty, be so glad to deliver resources to the guys whom they shot "just recently".
Why I poked up Bretonia? Because, more or less, Bretonia should be the one bending their knee to Gallia in the early stages of Gallic Invasion right when Liberty was pretty busy with Rheinland and couldn't fight on two fronts at the same time. Thanks to Junkers who served as spies, Gauls knew more about Houses than Houses know about themselves, unless that got retconned as well.
No, it's never automatic, nor related to where said faction has a base or other emplacement. Thinking the other way around, no faction can properly have a base outside it's zoi.
The Imperials zoi is in deep freeze for a few updates, and is currently outdated. It' should enclose Kusari as a whole.
Bretonia is still standing (In my mind) because war's aren't fought for space, they are fought for planets. In this case, both houses are bogged down in a bloody ground war. Pushing past the planet is an option (which they have done hence the 2 battleships in Magellen and Manchester) but they risk overextending themselves. Take the planet first, then advance. They can't push to to New London yet because they're still fighting a war on leeds. If you invade a nation, you don't leave unconqered cities behind you.
Anyway back to the main subject.
Kusari is in a weakened state but its not so weak it has to bow to Gallia, at least not totally or not openly. Gallia i reckon should be able to weild some considerable influence over the Kusari gov, but not enough for them to run Kusari like a dominion. Remember, while Kusari lost a sizable part of her military she is rebuilding it, which tells me that they can afford it, thus they have a decent economy still. In my mind, Kusari is battered and Bloodied but not broken. Yes, i would very much like to see more interaction between Gallia and Kusari, but not as another blatant invasion. Be a bit more subtle on it, that would be cool.
(02-21-2017, 06:36 PM)Omicega Wrote: [...] I have no desire to go against the wishes of Kusari's own players, but the steadfast stonewalling such as the kind outlined in the first post really gets old. [...] If I have one more person ask me why Kusari hasn't been made a formal vassal state yet or why they're basically de facto independent despite supposedly being heavily under our influence, I might just go mad. I can't really give any of these questions an iRP answer, and frankly the big 'PISS OFF GALLIA' signs that have come leaking out of KuGov over the years have put me off trying to push anything further on that front for quite a while.
I really don't understand where this comes from. You are basically accusing us to have given you the middle finger every-time you attempted to interact with us? As far as I can remember, [KNF] HC did their best to answer to GRN oorp requests and to interact with its player-base along the years.
An example : remember about that idea you had to have GRN roam in Kusari to get some nice interactions not centered on pews? Hubert agreed to it. When I asked you (months?) later where this was going, you told me you lost motivation to do this and put it on hold for now. How is that our fault?
The decision of not allowing GRN in Kusari was legitimate. Do you remember about that 343 faction made of generally inapt pvpers? Remember how they were targeted by a group of players every-time they logged? Not adding GRN on top of that was solely decided to piss you off? C'mon, Omi.
We are not part of some large conspiracy against GRN, nor gathering in a chat to share our hatred of Gallia and its player-base... We do with what we are given, both from the devs and the player-base. And this leads to another issue...
Quote:Kusari now reported that the overwhelming aggression of Gallia did not leave the House any other choice than to sue for peace. This was Kusari’s justification to Bretonia and the rest of Sirius for ending the war. (We cannot really blame Kusari since this justification would certainly prove a real one if Kusari were to bring its remaining exhausted forces to defend Tau-29). Kusari signed a peace treaty with Gallia in which Kusari would renounce any claims or plans of expansion in Tau sector, and acknowledge the Tau-29 system to be a buffer zone between the two Houses that would allow only minimal military and police presence to provide security for traders and civilians. Also, Kusari corporate traders were the first of all four "official" Houses who were allowed to purchase special passages and come to Gallic systems to trade with Gallic companies.
But maybe there is others official sources clearly stating Kusari is entirely a vassal or protectorate of Gallia, with no true political independence. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I would actually be glad if there was actually a source being unambiguously clear on that very point. That way I could know exactly how I am supposed to role-play this. Meanwhile, some of us opposing you INRP (if you call that opposing) is perfectly legitimate, unless you consider natural for a house to willingly abandon its sovereignty.
(02-21-2017, 09:03 PM)Haste Wrote: It's a shame that most of Discovery's playerbase has a hard time seperating their in- and out of roleplay feelings about faction strength and independence. I think a properly "occupied" Kusari would be something new, fresh and unique in Discovery's universe and I would personally really enjoy playing in such an environment - as both the mean Gallics and as the "repressed" Kusarians. Unfortunately it's just really hard for most players to willingly let their preferred house or faction "suffer", even if it could really shake things up (and I'd argue Kusari needs some shaking up).
Same narrative here. We would be refusing to acknowledge a fact just to protect our "pixels kingdom". Do I have to remind you we were largely in favor of ending this civil war so that a conflict with Liberty could happen, thus potentially ending with Shikoku being invaded and GRN sending assets to contain the front with Liberty? How does that fit that narrative?
So no. I'm sorry. If you want to interact with us, do so. But don't put all the blame on us when we both know you are very demotivated to do anything related with Gallia. You certainly have valid reasons for that, but that doesn't grant you the right to paint us as obstructive, hubristic little fruits.
Thanks.
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