With the way Malta works, life being sacred and Cardamine uniting us all, I've not observed a single MNS ship to aid MR side for a good reason, why would anyone who already has a Battleship and is regarded as a force to be recknoned with join a faction with shaky grounds, traitorous natur and being slapped left and right by Outcasts anywhere. There was doubt while MR was green, yet now they're regarded as the worst scum of Malta and something everyone wants to get rid of due to bad propaganda and making Malta look generally bad.
Fielding battleships is another problem, MR has no maintaining shipyards to speak of, and maintaining them isn't easy either no matter how much robotic crew you have. Those still require resources and with few dozens of thousands of people it means MR is dependant financially on Crayter. Also being Renegades, it means anywhere MR goes the Outcasts are likely to shoot, meaning they're locked to a single system where they're already surrounded.
Cardamine also grows only on Malta and in a limited number on Soledad, but that comes with a price saying the Planet corrodes ships and therefore docking ring is nearly impossible to make due to gravitational/magnetic forces. There's no "if or possible" , it can simply grow only on Malta, punctum.
MR may know about the trade routes Outcasts use, yet it's been secured all the way to the Coronado with Dreadnought Basilica meaning the raid on Outcast transports are even less likely to happen. Unless MR are a slave force for CR, making money in their case is nearly impossible, not to mention Battleships cost a buck or two.
All in all, MR has dwindling resources and ground upon they've built their propaganda. Being deleted from space without a second thought because Outcasts are united and it makes zero sense to join a small detachment of traitors and possibly former enemies to stand against a 500 million Malta. Unless MR's goal is to give those battleships to CR, there's nearly no possible salvation.
It's like a fruit fly trying to conquer a Watermelon while due to its own propaganda being in the sights of all citizens.
And this:
(12-18-2019, 06:47 AM)Reeves Wrote:
Vanilla lore Wrote:"All Outcasts are thoroughly addicted to and genetically altered by the drug Cardamine, produced exclusively on the Outcasts homeworld. Withdrawal symptoms include a progressively worsening sickness which leads to the death of the addict if additional Cardamine is not obtained. Outcasts wear masks to dispense small doses of Cardamine into their system constantly, and prefer to sleep in Cardamine sleep chambers. This intense addiction ensures absolute loyalty throughout the Outcasts themselves (with perhaps some minor internal conflicts), and better, ensures that the Outcasts' lackeys who use the Cardamine they distribute remain loyal to the Outcasts in the future."
~The eyes that only see prey. An instinct to act on~
~The bloodlust and it’s just, Not enough... Not enough.~
~But that’s the chain of command, And now we know we must not hide~
Quote:Galicia Research Station was set up not too far from Ruiz and in far orbit of Planet Elysium in order to further study the mysterious former gas giant. That's not all, though, for a few laboratories have been set aside to examine and experiment on Cardamine away from the prying eyes of the Maltese population. Those scientists perform tests on the drug to collect data on some of its auxiliary genetic alterations and conduct detailed analyses about Cardamine's euphoria inducing effects on the human body. This station also recently led a controversial project to test the feasibility of growing Cardamine grass inside its bio-domes, thus potentially on other planets as well, but with very little in the way of success. Another rendition of the project is currently being planned, which is to be aided by a more public campaign in an attempt to boost support of the concept.
It is not a strict prohibition, of course, but most OC factions took it as a rule of thumb not to dig deep into Cardi research or growing it on other planets. InRP they have been trying to do so and failed, I doubt a small splinter faction with no R&D focus can change it. Besides, if Cardamine can easily be cultivated elsewhere, OC become either OP due to being the only large supplier to an ever-increasing demand, or completely screwed as they will no longer hold the monopoly over the booming Cardamine industry. Any of scenarios would change the nature of OC completely which is hardly possible gameplay-wise. Nominal political RP - okie, actual gameplay-changing - most probably will fail.
P.S. regarding RCR. IMHO, the fair approach is the retroactivity of the rule. If you establish a company in some country and the country issues a law that bans the activity of such type of companies, it won't matter when the company was established - what will matter is whether it still functions or not. The rule applies to any faction willing to go for a canonisation. You can get offdom, ofc, being an official revolutionary faction. RCR implies though that you are unlikely to become de jure leaders of Malta. I am saying it not because I used to RP Maltese gov - I no longer play OC - but just to advise to save your time in deciding which path the faction should go.
How do you pull a stable supply of Cardamine if you mark all other vanilla factions of Cardamine alliance as untrusting? Or to justify anything with self-RPed CR alliance that shouldn't be a thing in the first place? But even if so, even if you materialize Cardamine out of nowhere in sufficient amounts or for some reason materialize money to buy it from secondary sources at the high price... It does not really resolve anything.
This vanilla thing plays along well with what Reeves has posted already.
Quote:"I'm starting to get sick -- guess I've been away from home too long. These runs to Liberty can be taxing. The inhaler masks aren't a long term substitute for the Cardamine-infused biosphere of Malta." - Shannon Loftis, Outcasts, Mactan Base
(12-18-2019, 06:45 AM)Spectre Wrote: don't see the word impossible here, nor is it implied. Unless it says it's impossible, or it's written in gold lettering, I'm of a mind that it can be made possible, and I intend to try for it.
(12-18-2019, 06:47 AM)Reeves Wrote:
Vanilla lore Wrote:"All Outcasts are thoroughly addicted to and genetically altered by the drug Cardamine, produced exclusively on the Outcasts homeworld. Withdrawal symptoms include a progressively worsening sickness which leads to the death of the addict if additional Cardamine is not obtained. Outcasts wear masks to dispense small doses of Cardamine into their system constantly, and prefer to sleep in Cardamine sleep chambers. This intense addiction ensures absolute loyalty throughout the Outcasts themselves (with perhaps some minor internal conflicts), and better, ensures that the Outcasts' lackeys who use the Cardamine they distribute remain loyal to the Outcasts in the future."
Yeah, this is why all these fringe Maltese factions piss me off. Even Commune has some stuff about leaving Malta, and let me just say "one does not simply leave Malta". Cardamine, in its processed form, is orange gas, or orange aerated powder. This does not imply seeds which would be used to grow more elsewhere. I haven't seen an event about shipping Cardamine seeds, and something that would destroy the criminal underworld that much should AT LEAST be put in an event. Outcasts have had a monopoly on Cardamine since vanilla, and with the exception of stabaline, which is used for treating cardamine addictions, nothing has even come close to touching that hold on the entire criminal underworld.
Long story short: Please, for the love of God Almighty, care about the Vanilla lore.
(12-18-2019, 05:34 PM)Promotheus Wrote: anyone claiming Cardamine can only grown on Malta in Disco should read planet Soledads infocard.
Yeah, I didn't say only. I said it would be stupid difficult to do it, because Outcasts have the only source of it. And The entirety of Omicron Tau was not Vanilla afaik, so at this point it's "dumb things the devs cooked up" vs "dumb things the players cooked up". If the Outcasts representing the original Vanilla faction are ok with this, then fine. But as far as I can see, this is just some people probably fighting an oorp war with some other people. It's not cute or funny or LEGITIMATE when the devs do it, it's none of those when some players with a grudge do it.
(12-18-2019, 08:16 PM)Groshyr Wrote: Cardamine has a weak backstory and no explanation why it grew only on Malta in Vanilla or before Soledad become a thing
To be fair, it didn't need much justification because you could only really access Omicron Alpha until after the initial plot of Freelancer, where it was more just extra elaboration on a background thing than what it is now.
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(12-18-2019, 08:16 PM)Groshyr Wrote: Cardamine has a weak backstory and no explanation why it grew only on Malta in Vanilla or before Soledad become a thing
I seem to remember something about it being made for the nomads, and the Hispania sleeper residents crashed there, finding it before the nomads. I can't find the actual lore on it, which bugs me, but if that sounds familiar at all, then that's a point.