The faction uses an OC ID because they are, however disconnected, still an Outcast faction. The Commune are Outcasts by roots, sure, but their roleplay tends to focus towards a more freelance ideal. As far as I'm aware, at least.
*MR| only operates within space that the OC ID offers, with the sole exception of Vespucci for RP reasons. They use Maltese ships, they use a Maltese naming scheme, they use an Outcast IFF and follow Outcast lore to the extent that the faction can while staying a unique concept.
We're 'hellbent' because we're an Outcast faction. I wouldn't expect someone to make a Brigand faction that uses a Maquis ID.
I'd like to see that the proper course of action is taken in regards to *MR|'s officialdom. By the written rules and guidelines, past and present, we have satisfied all of the requirements, including the main reason we were denied.
Thanks.
(02-10-2020, 12:36 AM)Lythrilux Wrote: Looking at the recent posts in this thread, it sounds like the best thing for this faction moving forward would be a combination of Freelancer ID and Outcast IFF.
If they want to keep allying with the Likes of CR then there is No way around that, seeing as outcasts can No longer ally with lawfuls
I think Ramke was actually not right when she said the activity was the main reason. I voted against you because you are not following Outcast lore but instead want to do something that would be a case for the Faction Canonization Process. By admitting you into officialdom, I felt like we would be circumventing the FCR. My two cents at least.
You cannot circumvent something that did not exist at the time, and if thats truly the case, the fee should be refunded as youre merely punishing players for not using something that didnt exist for the same result.
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(02-10-2020, 01:07 AM)Foxglove Wrote: I think Ramke was actually not right when she said the activity was the main reason. I voted against you because you are not following Outcast lore but instead want to do something that would be a case for the Faction Canonization Process. By admitting you into officialdom, I felt like we would be circumventing the FCR. My two cents at least.
I really don't see how that applies here, tbh. FCRs are for factions that desire their own IFF and implementation into the canon of the Discovery universe. *MR| may be a unique concept faction, yes, but an FCR is very much a bigger thing that *MR| is not prepared for. I do plan on doing on with the faction in the future since the concept is so niche, but the RP of *MR| atm works fine under the limitations of the Outcast ID and IFF.
If, by chance, you're referring to the 'RCR', then I'd like to point you to both Tails' post above and this neat little wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law
I'm fairly certain, if you are referring to an RCR instead of an FCR, that this sort of stuff is generally either frowned upon or outright prohibited. Again, I ask that another vote be made as the stated reason for our denial has been visually proven to be incorrect.
I was referring to the FCR, actually. MR is basically what I'd subsume under the loose term "rebel faction". Those require an FCR in my mind, now that such a thing exists. As far as I know, the FCR existed already when you applied, so it wouldn't be a retroactive decision to argue the way I do. This boils down to the Outcast ID not being the right choice for you, as far as I can say.
If you want my opinion as a player, you should wait a month and then apply using the Freelancer or Pirate ID. Then you can request your official faction ID to have the same lines as the Outcast ID.
Quite frankly your opinion on what the right and wrong ID is, isn't a requirement nor a consideration outlined by the rules provided for OF creation. The faction is Outcasts. if you want 0 diversity in how Outcasts are, that's a personal opinion and a bias against those pushing diversification of factions. In regards to how rebel factions operate, rebels are still "that faction" but fight against the mainline politics/military. The Outcast ID is absolutely the proper ID to do this on as they are Outcasts who utilize outside funding to wage their civil war. Your opinion as a player isn't valid as it's not a question of what you think of as a player, it's a question of did the faction meet the requirement for being made official at that time, which the answer was yes.
Personal opinions have no place in solid, non malleable guidelines of OF creation. The only guideline given is "faction performance is monitored both on the forums and on the server", a persons personal opinion isn't relevant to a factions performance, not how it conducts it's ability to operate. MR had filed OF creation as to extend their operating ability under their own umbrella while not trying to create a whole section of indies to support themselves, as the group is smaller and does not have the size that justifies an entire faction being created from it. The fact of the matter being, the only known requirement being met. There are no other requirements. The one given, was met.
If you want a different standard to how OFdom is granted, rewrite the creation rules to include specifics to be met, like "faction must follow lore without question" or whatever fits the bill of whats determined. As they were given, at the time of posting, the requirements known were met. Activity garners were met, like any other official faction. If you want to start holding existing OF's to the standard of "does this follow the lore of the original faction" you've got alot of OF's to review by your arbitrary standard. Because I guarantee not every OF follows their own lore to the letter. Infact sometimes going against it.
Creating a faction that is an exercise in fundamental opposition does not make you representatives of the Outcasts. There is literally nothing wrong with MR save your choice of ID. If you were to create a police faction that makes it their goal to turn their house into its ideological opposite, my reaction would be the same. Cool idea, but wrong ID. Official factions represent their NPC faction. That does not mean they need to be carbon copies, but they may not be something fundamentally new. That is what the FCR is for. In the past, this might have been okay to do via official faction creation request, but since the FCR became a thing, there has been a dedicated set of rules put into play to handle these things.
The reason my last reply had two paragraphs was to signal when my explanation for my actions as a staff member stopped and I started giving you a well-intended tip on how to proceed as a player. Hence I said that it was (now) me telling you my opinion as a player.
I understand you are disappointed but your arguments don't seem particularly persuasive and asserting that I am not putting thought into my decisions and instead only act on my personal bias towards you is neither fair nor true.
Here's a list of factions, some actually successful and others just starting out, that moved on from their original ID to one more suitable
Reapers of Sirius
Hellfire Legion
Battlegroup Harmony
Vagrant Raiders/Natio Octavarium
Crimean Privateers
Gran Canarian Army
Commune
Auxesia
That one rebel Corsair faction
It's not a new concept. You can still fly your Outcast toys on a Freelancer ID while still having "Outcast roots". I'm still convinced this is only about being "different" and wanting to fly OC caps. The new OC ID doesn't allow you to ally with lawfuls anymore, so your whole playtime with CR goes against the rules anyways. Improvise, adapt, overcome
or, you know, realize that the faction is a failed concept that literally everyone is trying to tell you
MRs allyship extendes to forums only, the ID didnt allow allying with CR and it never happened while ingame, the change had 0 impact to CR. 90% of those factions listed have/had overwhelming hatred against them and by your logic, wouldnt exist as they would be "failed factions". Youre a vocal minority anymore much like most of the forums.
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