Why do you not like player owned bases

[Saronsen]

I am surprised I did that. If you have anythingthat proves it - send it to me

because everyone doesnt know about your BHG i guess?
you coincidentally declared on a newly built pob in manchester within 10 minutes of being in the system
i dont have screens because i dont care, if you want to pretend you dont do it, thats on you.
the staff even axed your siege dec from the thread because it was metagaming.

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[The_Godslayer]

hella words

>appears from nowhere
>Clutches a 3v7
>Summons the armada
>Continues to stand powerfully in the middle of the thread
God bless you Saro.

But on the topic of the thread, player owned bases could be very cool, very neat, and a great utility. The real problem is with PoB owners. They're generally soulless, self-centered, two-faced, and have no qualms about using the trashiest and most underhanded tactics possible to get a single pube up for their little pixel empire. I've had my guys spent literal back to back days of destroying PoBs made with the purpose of being moved around with zoner weapons platforms, which culminated in the grand climax of the PoB owner applying to the faction just to post our e-chat to all the various omicron factions, accusing us of admin abuse when they failed to tab back into the game even once while I followed them on a character with no cloak from the freeport to their hidden bases off plane, and finally quitting the entire server in a flurry of accusations and allegations only rivaled by she-who-I-could-name-for-the-funnies-but-I-honestly-don't-care-enough-to-deal-with-the-response.

The only good playerbases I've seen have been the equipment dealers which do most of their business on the forums and have been around for a long a​ss time. Jesus the Christ bought his cloak device from Canary Wharf Station. Adam and Eve bought their cloak devices from Canary Wharf Station. It was attacked once. There has been one PoB with good RP centered entirely on the base. It was Bristol. Bristol is on life support now, but back when they were going from 4 to 5 they were super chill and good. That's it. Some ore PoBs were good for a bit. Most were utter garbage that were putting zapper platforms on top of jump holes. Most bases in existence today are glorified bank characters, autofel​la​tio, or weapons platform spam being masked with "roleplay". One of those is meh, and two of them deserve what's coming for them.

All in all, solid greenmsg. I should demand my faction members waste another 48 consecutive hours of their life killing one or three. Our feedback thread hasn't been blown up in a while, gotta make all those moderators earn their keep. Now back to my rum.

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"Whatever happened to catchin' a good old-fashioned passionate ass-whoopin and gettin' your shoes, coat, and your hat tooken?"

[Stewgar]

I siege one base after 5 years and everyone acts like i murdered children.

Why was the base sieged?

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I hope that either all of us or none of us are judged by the actions of our weakest moments. But rather, by the strength we show when, and if, we're ever given a second chance.

[Lucas]

Because it was built in a place where it should not be built.

What baffles me more is that people take their sweet time to write these huge posts on the forums on how the siege was bad, how the people who've sieged it are the bringers of evil and destruction to what was dear to the PoB-Owner, but not a single one of you had the idea to join up and defend it. The only person I've seen try to defend or dent the siegers more than once, ironically, was Lemon.
You've had a base sieged in the ZoI of the most active faction on the entire server, by a group that is hostile to that faction. Perhaps something could have been done to defend it, it could've brought some interaction to the region, had you done anything more than write meaningless posts that boil down to the same argument every time: "The siege was bad because RP!!!!", but ultimately, considering the lore of the Red Hessians as well as the Red Hessian Army as a faction, doing what they did makes more sense than to ask for a monthly payment or anything else.

Base Sieges can be defended, even the GMG managed to defend a PoB in Sigma-21 from the Rheinland Military, a faction with access to caps all while they didn't have them. You can talk you way out of this, but ultimately you just never made the effort to try to do anything about it. It's unfortunate that the base died, sure, but ultimately you should not blame the pirate faction in whose backyard you've decided to build an installation without properly consulting them. Man up, take arms, defend your POBs the next time.

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[SnakThree]

I siege one base after 5 years and everyone acts like i murdered children.

Why was the base sieged?

Unalwfuls don't need a "legit" reason to siege. They are unalwfuls for a reason.

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[Swifty]

A load of shit

Sorry but as much as i wanted to stay the hell away from this very sensitive topic, for a minority anyway, i couldn't resist after you mentioned a load of shit that needs to be addressed.

Okay, first lets talk about how you, the extremely hurt minority believe like your lives depend on it that the community is gonna lose the remaining 30-40 people over the loss of one or two individuals that lost a pixel castle for placing it in the vicinity of a known motherfarking pirate faction. No, we're not going to lose them, at most it's gonna be the affected party that will leave, but not even that, they will leave for a few days then return knowing damn well there aren't many other possibilities to raise another "empire" in other games like Discovery offers, only next time they will do it carefully or spitefully, regardless of their choice the end will eventually be inevitably the same as always, one party losing and the other accused of.... whatever helps people sleep at night when they're accusing.

2. And this is the funny one, you claim that no pobs = no traders, and no traders = no piracy. Let me tell you some shit in case you just recently returned only to throw tantrums. With or without the bases my last piracy attempts have been so disappointing from the pirated end that i eventually gave up even trying. There's not one single effing excuse for traders not to RP (at least!!!!), insteat they give half assed replies, act like they're newbies (you know who you are, buddy(ies) ), etc etc etc. Your claim that sieging a few badly placed bases will have any impact or make any difference in the Pirate-Trader encounters is not only a hard reach, its stupid and even annoying that you try to make such a huge deal out of it.


PoBs are an interesting feature of the game but as Haste says, they're not very well thought out and need some fixing for sure. But until then, a word of advice for the very hurt and attacked victims of a cruel society- Don't place your bases in stupid areas then expect not to be shot at when caught doing some shit that wasn't part of any agreements and make offers too dont just wait for the demands which in most cases will end up with the unwanted result on your end, and simply learn how to interact too, dont focus just on yourselves because selfishness in this community never brought anyone anywhere and anything but an endless cycle of shit.

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[Snowstorm]

Besieging a PoB is like throwing a rock into a swamp full of frogs. Why so much hate from PoB owners? Just a game btw

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[Stewgar]

Because it was built in a place where it should not be built.

The base has been there for a year with RP to support why it's been there. Why does the base suddenly need destroyed?

Unalwfuls don't need a "legit" reason to siege. They are unalwfuls for a reason.

Read above and I resort to my statement yesterday that was deleted, you can't trust RHA and SCRA to RP

Okay, first lets talk about how you, the extremely hurt minority believe like your lives depend on it that the community is gonna lose the remaining 30-40 people over the loss of one or two individuals that lost a pixel castle for placing it in the vicinity of a known motherfarking pirate faction. No, we're not going to lose them, at most it's gonna be the affected party that will leave, but not even that, they will leave for a few days then return knowing damn well there aren't many other possibilities to raise another "empire" in other games like Discovery offers, only next time they will do it carefully or spitefully, regardless of their choice the end will eventually be inevitably the same as always, one party losing and the other accused of.... whatever helps people sleep at night when they're accusing.

2. And this is the funny one, you claim that no pobs = no traders, and no traders = no piracy. Let me tell you some ***** in case you just recently returned only to throw tantrums. With or without the bases my last piracy attempts have been so disappointing from the pirated end that i eventually gave up even trying. There's not one single effing excuse for traders not to RP (at least!!!!), insteat they give half assed replies, act like they're newbies (you know who you are, buddy(ies) ), etc etc etc. Your claim that sieging a few badly placed bases will have any impact or make any difference in the Pirate-Trader encounters is not only a hard reach, its stupid and even annoying that you try to make such a huge deal out of it.

1. (or I think it's 1... I see a 2 but not a 1, so I'll assume this is 1) Again, read above. Base has been there for a year with RP to back it's permission to be there. Could somebody please answer why suddenly it had to be destroyed?

2. A good portion of traders use POBs whether for supplying or for ore profiting. So yes, right now as it stands, a large portion of the logistics segment of the game will not play, at least in the same degree, that they do now. It might eventually bounce back some, but initially there will be an exodus from the logistics side of the community. As far as bad piracy goes, yes, there are traders that are piss poor at RP'ing or insta-dock. I put the hammer down on them just as I do against pirates with piss poor RP. However, I do have 2 questions for you. 1. Do you shadow log on transports and miners? 2. Do you instantly demand money? If you answered yes, there is a high chance you will get no RP. Logistics groups are tired of "give money or die" and then they fly away. I'm tired of just giving away my money to freebooters. Not saying this is you, but if you don't do this or stop doing this, you may find transports not flying away from you or even flying toward you for RP. Food for thought.

Besieging a PoB is like throwing a rock into a swamp full of frogs. Why so much hate from PoB owners? Just a game btw

Imagine working on something for months, or even a year, building RP around it, creating contacts, contracts, and building characters around your work only for it to be destroyed for reasons none other than "because". Should there be happiness about it? Why even try again?

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I hope that either all of us or none of us are judged by the actions of our weakest moments. But rather, by the strength we show when, and if, we're ever given a second chance.

[Stewgar]

I'm done with this thread as it seems to be going nowhere. I welcome anybody to message me if you'd like to have a conversation. Or gods willing, if you were a sieger and had an RP reason why the base needed to be destroyed, I'm desperate for an answer.

I'm attempting to set up a private meeting between staff and POB owners to discuss changes to POBs to eliminate the waste/spam as well as fix the siege system so that impossible fleets that literally double the server population don't monopolize the system. It would be helpful to have somebody, particularly a rational person, represent the sieger or anti-pob segment of the community.

This may be hard for some to believe, but there are people like me that is trying to find a middle ground so that all sides can be pleased - factions and groups can remain sovereign, pirates and traders can interact and it be fun, and POB owners can conduct their business in peace without their work needlessly being destroyed. PM me if you would like to have a conversation. Take care.

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I hope that either all of us or none of us are judged by the actions of our weakest moments. But rather, by the strength we show when, and if, we're ever given a second chance.

[Swifty]

Answer to Question 1: No I don't shadowlog miners or traders because that would mean to use a lot of precious time on waiting for each individual to log at a specific time and i personally can't afford that much time to waste like that anymore.

2: Nobody, and i mean nobody who had interactions with me complained about me instantly demanding money or killing them. I like to think i give everyone equal chances at having fun before i let my guns do the talking in case i don't get paid. That doesn't apply for the minority who has a special hatred for the pirates and offers them piss poor encounters, more or less asking to get deleted for 1 hour from the system. Does that have to do anything with the PoBs? Absofückinglutely not. You or anyone else adding this matter into a whole different subject is you basically screaming from the depths of your lungs that 2+2=5. So stop it.
^edit: The same also doesn't apply when the traders in question are impulsing away when i demand them to stop for a quick talk. You move you die since i know what your intentions are.

To me personally, the base was becoming a threat as it continued to grow and the RP that was done for it's permit was done with SCRA not with RHA, who's base is in the vicinity of. The deal between them and SCRA was simple, dont screw around with houses on our turf which they ignored the moment they allowed corporations to dock and do ore runs from there. RHA saw the threat and acted accordingly. You wanna see it as oorp reason thats fine, but dont go accusing everyone and everything if all you want to see is your side of this.

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