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[Barrier]

Swifty, the way you're talking now is a good way to have a discussion. So why is it a problem if everyone talked this way in servers that connect to the community? I have to tell you, I was pretty close to just "heading out" after coming into the RM server after my return. And that one wasn't as bad as some of the others I've seen since then.

Regarding the mod as a whole - who is not having fun? Why? What do you mean by "what it is today"?

I am having fun. Server numbers are better than ever, and I'm not interacting with the same people everywhere. What's the problem?

[Kauket]

think ur overthinking this one


they won't give a shit if ppl have an argument or say swear words in discords, or talk about soft politics, or posting porn



but they'll care if you're being a pedo/racist/extremist/plotting epic hacker activities

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[Czechmate]

Do you feel like the forums are more restrictive than during the heavy decision admin team?

It sure feels like there is much more staff overlap now, back then when there was subjective 0.0 by admins devs stepped in - I have the feeling that now if you get targeted that is it for you more or less, you need to wait out the staff cycle

[TheSauron]

The outrage about this rule change seems to stem from some sort of misconception that you'll now be legally obliged to have Haste himself monitor your most degenerate, triple-hidden political discussion channels. All it asks for is that faction discords keep their public sections clean. This really isn't an unreasonable expectation, especially when your server is de facto the sole gathering spot for people playing in a region or on a specific ID. Like it or not, such servers are part of the community now just as much as the game or the forum is.

Im not exactly sure why you believe it is an outrage every time i, or other people open general discussions to understand more about the matter. Its not like it will miraculously change anything, it's more so people give their own inputs/views on it, preferably in an educated manner as i have so far. Then again, you and i both know we always come from different sides of the fence so to speak so that probably answer me to the why at the beginning of this reply.

Seems like asking things became a bad habit these days. Idea - why don't we limit or even ban asking questions too?

Outrage, opposition, pushback. We can argue semantics all day long. But I suppose I did make it easy for you to sideline everything else I've said.

This change isn't really hard to understand. Discovery as a community has an abnormal need to use less than stellar vocabulary to conduct even the most basic of conversations. All this change does is make people think twice before they resort to Nigels or other assorted funny words whenever someone has the audacity to "bring out the worst in you". Which is a massive tell on yourself all on its own.

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[Cortana Clark]

think ur overthinking this one


they won't give a shit if ppl have an argument or say swear words in discords, or talk about soft politics, or posting porn



but they'll care if you're being a pedo/racist/extremist/plotting epic hacker activities

why should you be able to post porn? Like there could be minors here after all but calling a friend the n word goes to far?

[Swifty]

Swifty, the way you're talking now is a good way to have a discussion. So why is it a problem if everyone talked this way in servers that connect to the community? I have to tell you, I was pretty close to just "heading out" after coming into the RM server after my return. And that one wasn't as bad as some of the others I've seen since then.

Regarding the mod as a whole - who is not having fun? Why? What do you mean by "what it is today"?

I am having fun. Server numbers are better than ever, and I'm not interacting with the same people everywhere. What's the problem?

I feel like the player privacy is being violated bit by bit, and some places, apps, etc need to be kept outside of the game for that matter. I can be polite as long as people dont try their best to bring the worst in me, sounds fair and square, correct? Treat me how you would like me to treat you is the best thing someone smart once said. If people did that more, we wouldn't need all of this now.

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[Jayenbee]

These complaints stem from a sudden (yet in many cases warranted) staff over-reach, comparatively speaking prior to this administration as it were.

Rightfully so there's going to be a sudden shock and growing concern by many that they are at risk of being banned/sanctioned from this community just because they said something that hurt X person's feelings. Amplified further by the recent ban on that IMG| drunk, which (apparently) is a situation of X & Y DM'ing, but Z filing the VR? Excuse me what?

Increasingly we're entering a cultural age in the western world where everyone seems so entitled to be butthurt that they must seek a personal justice for their poor poor feelings, leading them to go after people over issues which needn't be one.

People can't talk to one another with familiarity no more, you can't affectionately speak to someone with what would typically be slurs or racial insults no more (there's a few Discord bans related to this, you know what I'm on about). This level of interpersonal normalisation of language has been thrown out of the window and replaced with a thought-police orientated drive that seems hellbent on stunting speech.

So, ye. Misconceptions.

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When contending with a monster, you'd be wise to give the devil his due.

[Darius]

Swifty, the way you're talking now is a good way to have a discussion. So why is it a problem if everyone talked this way in servers that connect to the community? I have to tell you, I was pretty close to just "heading out" after coming into the RM server after my return. And that one wasn't as bad as some of the others I've seen since then.

Regarding the mod as a whole - who is not having fun? Why? What do you mean by "what it is today"?

I am having fun. Server numbers are better than ever, and I'm not interacting with the same people everywhere. What's the problem?

I feel like the player privacy is being violated bit by bit, and some places, apps, etc need to be kept outside of the game for that matter. I can be polite as long as people dont try their best to bring the worst in me, sounds fair and square, correct? Treat me how you would like me to treat you is the best thing someone smart once said. If people did that more, we wouldn't need all of this now.

do you mean like that time markam went and asked libgov on story input only to get 20 slurs per square meter his way

or that one time skorak got pushed to quitting by the very same individual over a simple event disagreement

[Darius]

People can't talk to one another with familiarity no more, you can't affectionately speak to someone with what would typically be slurs or racial insults no more (there's a few Discord bans related to this, you know what I'm on about). This level of interpersonal normalisation of language has been thrown out of the window and replaced with a thought-police orientated drive that seems hellbent on stunting speech.

have you tried simply speaking like that in private messages instead of open discords

maybe this is a me thing but my hand doesn't immediately go out and type "hi n****r : )" when pinging werdackel or sauri or traxit in the knf discord

[Jayenbee]

People can't talk to one another with familiarity no more, you can't affectionately speak to someone with what would typically be slurs or racial insults no more (there's a few Discord bans related to this, you know what I'm on about). This level of interpersonal normalisation of language has been thrown out of the window and replaced with a thought-police orientated drive that seems hellbent on stunting speech.

have you tried simply speaking like that in private messages instead of open discords

maybe this is a me thing but my hand doesn't immediately go out and type "hi n****r : )" when pinging werdackel or sauri or traxit in the knf discord

Have you tried being a part of a discussion, elaborating on what's being spoken about and helping identifying the issues that may in fact be raised, instead of trying to insert a 'winning statement'?

Maybe this a me thing, but I totally have black friends who I address as such. My chinese friends call me gweilo.

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When contending with a monster, you'd be wise to give the devil his due.