Red Hessian Army feedback

[kalimero2]

you should be seen more often in Rheinland core space

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[Carlos_Benitez]

Ok. Im sick and tired of getting "cannibal!" shouted at me, and then getting shot at by you guys.
It's bad enough not being able to do other things because of being rounded on by Hessians at every turn, it's bad enough that despite all the efforts I make to start proper RP exchanges with the Hessians before weapons start being fired I only get ignored, but as if that wasn't enough, things are getting worse.
My MOST RECENT expeiences with the RHA (having interacted with them for the best part of 3 years) is that they;

• Are happy leading attacks on individual and isolated enemy fighters/bombers utilising overwhelming forces consisting of as much as 5 times the force of the defender.
  
• Believe that two words "die cannibal!" is enough RP to preface an attack.
  
• Believe that it's acceptable for the 2 words they do use to be metagaming referances. (for clarification
  
• Believe they have the right to force players to PVP with them whenever they choose, even if the player is busy, desperately retreating (in order to avoid undesired PVP, or in the face of overwhelming forces), or attempting to engage in a verbal RP exchange.
  
• Believe they can continue an attack within the limits of a Freeport.
  

It seems like every time I log on, the long-standing respect I have for RHA suffers another blow.
It seems like the many old members I respected, and enjoyed interacting with are gone, replaced by pvp-server rejects who dont deserve to wear the RHA name.

When members can't offer decent RP, can't offer a fair fight, cant offer tolerance or respect for the gameplay of others, what exactly can they provide?

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[Cawdor]

Edit: Alright forget it. I don't know why I even bother to post in a feedpack topic.

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[Zeltak]

I'm not one of those you mentioned in your scenario Cawdor.

But 1 versus 3 does not equal a "gank". If you had a problem with the force presented I suggest retreating, not to come here and cry about it.

Nothing equals a gank. The very word gank is not even acceptable. Anything remotely close is called excessive use of force, which equals a tactic.

Secondly, who says they have to tell you their life-story before they engage in combat? One line of Role-Play is well within the rules.

You arguments:

Lack of fair-play. - See above.

Lack of Role-Play. - They Role-Played.

Trash talking about their combat abilities whilst at the same time trying to brag about your own flight skills.

- I wonder. Is this even an argument?

[Cond0r]

So the way I see it Carlos, you came here to complain that we gank and call you cannibals, no? And may I ask when the RHA has ganked you? Perhaps providing some screenshots to prove your claims instead of barging in here and saying we suck, no?

I find the irony quite amusing that you complain about the RHA when you have 2 Legates and 1 Cruiser attacking a lone fighter, and if they get bored then they dock, lay off some steam, undock and re-engage. Perhaps clean your own doorstep before barking on others, yes?

And Cawdor please don't make me laugh. Do you want a biography from every RHA pilot you meet in-game? If you want them read the forums more often, it is rather funny that you are the one complaining about RP, no? And I also find your complaining about a gank and then attempting to brag about killing 3 RHA rather amusing.

And no I was not there.

My feedback to you: Perhaps next time when you see 3 RHA that, according to you don't know how to RP, perhaps you should RP more, yes?

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[17:23:05] Mini Me: pls
[17:23:06] Mini Me: gtfo

[Cawdor]

-blanked-

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[Zeltak]

No one does. But given the fact that their trio just sat there for like twenty minutes, waiting for me to get off the battle ship gives you alot of time to actually do some RP and maybe even have fun while doing that.

Yep but maybe they didn't feel like doing that, so the basis of your complaint regarding Role-Play is not that they broke a rule but that they didn't fit into your perspective of what is assumed to be qualified Role-Play. In other words, not a valid complaint.

Also, what If that RM guy wasn't me but some new guy just like them? Would it still be a valid strategy to outnumber someone or to simply force him to log off as he wouldn't be able to take the heat? It would. Would it still be nice? No. Because this is a game that is mostly about fun. How is a 1on3 fun for anyone involved?
Would you actually do that if you wouldn't get a bounty? I don't think so.

It's always a valid strategy to outnumber someone, it happens everywhere, all the time. Accept it. Sometimes you stay and fight, sometimes you decide to retreat. Do not bring the "fun" argument to this, completely irrelevant.

Or maybe should I say, how fun is it for three little-experienced combat pilots to get attacked by a more "experienced pilot"? How is that fun? They enter a battle they can't win and you kill them.

Yeah, nice argument?

As I said, I don't blame those guys and it didn't cause me to Q_Q at any point. Obviously, I chose to have that fight. but as you might know if you would have bothered to read my post, I think that a little more help for those recruits to get settled would be nice.

No you blame the experienced RHA team to train people that are already perfectly doing fine. Sure they can improve in combat but that is outside the spectrum of what is considered "Faction Feedback". Never heard a complaint going, "Hey you guys suck because your older members don't train you to fight well!".

See that marked white text there? Do not try to hide your subtle insults, if you are gonna say something you might as well go blunt or just stay quiet.

[... kur nubėgo?]

I'm in RHA for about a year now. Saying that RHA is rotting is quite in-accurate. Yet in those times then I joined I remember some one from Rheinland Military complaining "you log on only then there is RM around, and after dealing with them log off as fast as you logged in"

Well in those times, than there was no mining (like we have omega 7 now, which is hot spot for any activity) so I could understand them quite easily. To sit at the tradelane for about 30 minutes and wait for a lolwutter who doesn't cares about "Revolution message" and rather silently cruisses away wasn't intresting at all.


But now things changed. Omega 7 is a fine spot for people. Pirating, PVP ... and of course. These two aren't possible without RP. Most intresting thing is, that with those people around, you are actually able to be talkative more. For example DHC miner or so. Hessians are intrested in convincing rheinlanders to believe their cause. Hell there was Kruger player group who were silently supporting hessian movment. That rp was quite intresting.


But what comes to corsairs:

I really do not believe that "Die Corsair" was everything they said. Yes, of course I neither believe that hessian will start discussing politics, culture diffrences, what he had for breakfast, how they rise their children. No... they won't try to do this.

You won't ask a guy for dinner who you want to stab 7 times, kick his dead body, put face down in the digged grave, pee on his back and leave to rot after it. No you want to kill him. Therfore 90 percent or so lines written by hesian or corsair side are with hostile intent to kill each other.

Corsair - Hessian RP without PvP is parctical impossible since they fight each other. You can't escape it. Refusal to fight just becose "I'm not in the mood to fight" is quite an OoRP itself. But if you really don't feel like it. We are all players. PM one of the [RHA] with "//" messege telling that you really don't want to bother yourself with a fight and they, most likely, will let you go.

When members can't offer decent RP, can't offer a fair fight

Maybe all RHA members are not such good roleplayers like you. But what touches fairness I don't ever remember RHA outnumbering someone. In most of the cases... we were always the ones outnumbered. Or facing numbers who replanish after each player opponent side losses.

At this point.. I'll ask to back up this with evidence like screenshots and such. If not provided, I think I and rest of RHA can treat such statments as product of tension about certain events which might caused this rather than rational argument.


Hope this helps.

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Omega Pirates Guild

History of OPG | Antonio "Vilkas" Devivar

[Carlos_Benitez]

With regard to "outnumbering being a valid strategy" yes, it is, and yet many factions at least try to make an effort to have fair fights when possible, so that everyone could gain equal enjoyment. RHA used to be one of these.

Considering my recent experiences with the RHA, I'd say that my post was pretty balanced, given that I recognised positive experienes had with RHA.
I find it disheartening to hear that you refuse to take such criticisms on-board until I "clean up" the Corsairs. You should know, as Hessians better than anyone that Corsair lolwhuts are a fact of life, and that even despite the considerable efforts on my part to sort them out, they will continue to irritate both our enemies and Corsairs themselves. Their existance does not invalidate problems that your own house has.

Im very disappointed that you're defending the actions I've described. It seems you're saying that because fair-play isnt compulsory, it isnt worth striving for, and that because the rules demand 1 line minimum of RP, that's all the Hessians should bother making. If the aim of the Hessians is now to obtain as many kills as possible whilst doing the absolute minimum to avoid getting banned, as these replies imply, I mourn for the RHA I once knew.

I dont have screenshots of the event I referred to tonight; I was running for my life from a gunboat and two fighters. When one is running for one's life, one doesnt have time to take photographs. I havent mentioned names because I'm not looking for blood, and I logged off immediately without writing down any details.
What I'm after is a statement from the RHA saying that they continue to value the principles of high-quality RP and fair fighting that I used to assoceate them with. Instead, I've been told I shouldn't expect anything more than overwhelming gunfire from RHA.
I'm not vengeful. Im disappointed.

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[Zeltak]

You are right we are here to play for fun and sometimes we should be considerate in numbers. Point taken.

Yet especially when it comes to these new recruits who constantly receives the same "fair treatment" by the Corsairs, its pretty hard to teach them to "turn the cheek". Which is a rather funny concept by the way.

But sure, I can understand what you say.

As for the "minimum RP one line rule." I'm not saying that to say -everyone- should follow this mentality. I'm saying that some people settle for swift, and within the rules conversations and then proceed to combat. And I'm saying that is COMPLETELY FINE, if they wish to play that way. Others enjoy longer conversations, good for them.

Sometimes two different mind-sets clash, like perhaps your encounter with these Hessians. Then so be it, you leave with some dignity after that encounter and say to yourself, that some people might not share the perspective you have on Role-Play. I do not find it respectable to just storm in here and say that they completely lack the capacity to Role-Play. If that was the case they would have been sanctioned. Clearly since they are not, they understand it well enough to not harm server game-play.

The rest of your post is a slippery slope followed by what seems to be the standard:

"Discovery is dead."
"Nobody cares about fair-play."
"RHA has lost its golden days."

I let Blodo take over from here.