I'll return when this little dragon learns something of sirius politics and can put some lash in his tongue. It's a waste of time arguing with a child who has no concept of how galactic economics work past his own sad rock.
Think what you want, you made points I responded to them, point by point, and you have no response, sounds like it is you who knows little of inter galactic economics or politics. If you would like to make a more articulate argument, you may return, if not, just be on your way.
To:Dragon Hiza Tozomoto From:.:j:.Linux Subject:Re: Your so called neutrality
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' Wrote:I would disagree.. Correct me If I am wrong but Harvesters essentially work on logic and facts. Therefore If the Jack crow had told the Harvester to respect the Neutril zone or they May loose docking rights at Yanagi and other Junker bases then the Logical choice would have been for the harester to disengage and wait outside of the Neutril zone.
Thew power of diplomacy
(edit) This would require a defined Neutril zone like 2 k and closer to yanagi is safe zone
I dont think I made my point come across too clearly. The main reason Mr. Crow didnt attack, nor tell the Harvester to disengage is mainly because we are not going to break the "treaty" we have with them. Also, Harvesters are not under our command, thus even if Jack said to disengage, it is up to the Harvester as to obey or disobey. Sorry to put it to ya like this, but if a Harvester decides to "harvest" someone, we are not stepping in at the present time. Again, Sorry to hear this happened to you.
Also, where is Green.Hawk nowadays? I haven't seen him around for almost a week. He could probably(as Mr. Matthews said) sort this out
To:Dragon Hiza Tozomoto From:.:j:.Linux Subject:Re: Your so called neutrality
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I dont think I made my point come across too clearly. The main reason Mr. Crow didnt attack, nor tell the Harvester to disengage is mainly because we are not going to break the "treaty" we have with them. Also, Harvesters are not under our command, thus even if Jack said to disengage, it is up to the Harvester as to obey or disobey. Sorry to put it to ya like this, but if a Harvester decides to "harvest" someone, we are not stepping in at the present time. Again, Sorry to hear this happened to you.
Also, where is Green.Hawk nowadays? I haven't seen him around for almost a week. He could probably(as Mr. Matthews said) sort this out
Obviously all you are saying is that Dragons and OC can expect to have Yanagi used as a launching point for attacks against us, which makes Yanagi a threat to our security, and therefor it should be laid siege to, I call on every OC and Dragon capital ship to lay siege on Yanagi till the end the threat of attack that uses their station as safe haven.
' Wrote:Think what you want, you made points I responded to them, point by point, and you have no response, sounds like it is you who knows little of inter galactic economics or politics. If you would like to make a more articulate argument, you may return, if not, just be on your way.
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There seams only to me that you as an independant dragon fighter went to this trouble only to try to force a change to us and the rest of the "outcast" side. This is unfortunate, but i belive that in one way or another this will be solved as it always have. And i belive that one independant dragons say in the matter doesnt make to much of an impact upon the Outcasts nor the GC's, they are, unlike you eager to solve any situation that has befallen our groups diplomaticly.
You may want to start discussing this matter with us and maybe listen to those dragons that have experience.
Transmission starts Message to: Dragon Hiza Tozomoto Forwarded to: All Concerning Parties Comm ID: Jack Matthews, Adjudicator of Bornholm. Location: Bornholm Depot, Omega 15.
There seams only to me that you as an independant dragon fighter went to this trouble only to try to force a change to us and the rest of the "outcast" side. This is unfortunate, but i belive that in one way or another this will be solved as it always have. And i belive that one independant dragons say in the matter doesnt make to much of an impact upon the Outcasts nor the GC's, they are, unlike you eager to solve any situation that has befallen our groups diplomaticly.
You may want to start discussing this matter with us and maybe listen to those dragons that have experience.
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I have obviously started this communication as an attempt to discuss this with you, but all I have been told is Dragons can expect to be attacked at Yanagi. You call that discussion? Also my independent nature has nothing to do with this, I am a Dragon, I stand beside all Dragons and they stand beside me. My Independence does not change my effect on my Brothers, and you should be ashamed of suggesting that were I a Nova, I would be treated differently by you than my being an independent.
As an independent, I went to the trouble? Of trying to dock on a supposedly safe port, and went out of my way to be attack? Yeah right.
' Wrote:Think what you want, you made points I responded to them, point by point, and you have no response, sounds like it is you who knows little of inter galactic economics or politics. If you would like to make a more articulate argument, you may return, if not, just be on your way.
//i hate to take this out of RP, but I have to in order to explain. The players here dont overwrite base freelancer design, no matter how many of them there are. All of those 'independent' smugglers you see dont exist in vanilla FL. Outcast ships, or those of their allies, move cardamine to the very borders of house space - from there it's the Junkers - or in kusari space, the GC - who distribute the cardamine throughout the house territory.
//Without Junker support, the outcasts would sell no cardamine in rheinland, bretonia, or liberty. Those three, with a focus on liberty, make up the majority of income from cardamine sales - a minority comes from kusari due to the hogosha and kusari government having a strong anti-drug stance, and the GC using most of what they smuggle for themselves, or to entice new recruits.
//The entire war effort of the outcast alliance against the corsairs relies on drug money. It would take little to no effort for junkers to completely disrupt cardamine movement in the three major houses - hell, we could even intercept shipments ourselves, and sell the stuff for personal profit so the outcasts never see a penny. Without that money, the outcast fleets falter, and they find themselves unable to lend support to their allies or even to fight the war against the corsairs. Junkers switch over from primarily moving cardamine to primarily moving artifacts, further bolstering the corsair side of the conflict, and the outcast alliance would fall apart entirely.
Trust me, you want to keep the junkers doing business with you, as do we. We make more money in the end when we play both sides of the war, but if either side - particularly the outcasts - tries to turn on us and ruin our current setup in sirius, they'll get hit so hard by the reality of economic balance that they wont be able to recover.
We do have the advantage here, as we always have had. Our position of nuetrality is what keeps sirius running, whether you like to believe it or not.
And, once more responding to the harvester incident - we have had all sorts of violence going on at yanagi lately. Chances are the harvester was working in the best interest of the station to begin with - he saw you as a threat, for whatever reason, and opened fire. So long as no hostile fire is directed at the station - meaning that the station is not in danger of hull ruptures - we couldnt care less about squabbles between other groups.
My fellow Junker is quite right. If the GC or Dragons do make a move towards us, I'm sure the KNF will know about the location of Chugoku, Kyoto, and Ainu within the hour. While the Dragons are indeed skilled pilots, they don't have the numbers to survive the swarms of KNF that will hunt them down.
But perhaps we should all settle down here. The Yanagi situation is being dealt with. Have some patience while things are dealt with, and we can all go back to business soon enough.
To:Dragon Hiza Tozomoto From:Linux Subject:Re: Your so called neutrality
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Quote:Obviously all you are saying is that Dragons and OC can expect to have Yanagi used as a launching point for attacks against us, which makes Yanagi a threat to our security, and therefor it should be laid siege to, I call on every OC and Dragon capital ship to lay siege on Yanagi till the end the threat of attack that uses their station as safe haven.
I would advise against that action. As I said before, Junkers Congress is NOT in control of the Harvesters. Usually the Harvesters stay away from Yanagi unless, of course, they go to "harvest." At no point in time did we, nor will we, say that Yanagi is to be used for Harvesters to launch their attacks. I think you should change your target from us real junkers(Congress also) to your real problem, The Harvesters. Also, a dragon coming to Yanagi to resupply....I heard that Dragons have some sort of secret base in Chukogu.....why couldn't you have gone there? At least you would have been more safe around your own people
You all make is so clear how much the Junkers Congress wants diplomacy, you attack the OC and the Dragons for not conducting diplomacy with you, and then when someone tries you say there is nothing you can do, you cry "we are neutral, but we cant enforce that neutrality at our bases" and then you threaten us yourselves, these do not sound like the words of anything but an Enemy, and that is how I suggest the OC and Dragons treat the Junkers from here on out. So much for your calls to talk, when you are impotent to have any control over the affairs of your base.
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I will say this once and for all, The Junkers and the Junker Congress does not control nor can they ever control the Harvesters, ive sent a message to the Harvesters regarding the NFZ around all Junker Bases, if they refuse there isnt much more we can do, and I can assure you, the only reason why "we" junkers are allied with the Harvesters are self preservance and survival. I mean if we would openly attack the Harvesters we would as many other be attacked all the time. This would not only affect all unlawfuls, since most do buisness with the Junkers, but it would disrupt the entire Sirius Sector.
If you as a Blood Dragon finds that we "Junkers" are openly attacking you cause we allow the Harvester to do as they please, only so they wont attack us. Then sir, your an idiot.