Be advised, non-Rheinland capitol class warships are illegal in Rheinland, there are no exceptions. I also remember quite clearly that your ship was in NB orbit along with two Corsair cruisers, that is not a good way to get on good terms with the RM, or any Rheinland factions for that matter.
And as per your backstory, something has been bugging me:
Quote:The war against the nomads spread across the Sirius sector and did not spare rheinland. One of the first waves hit the Munich system, which was the headquarter of the Hasburg trading company. At this time Wilhelm was on his way to the capitol in New Berlin to a meeting with the heads of the other rheinland organisations to support the government against the alien aggressors.
The nomad ships came out of nowhere and attacked the Hasburg outpost near planet Nuernberg. The station had only little defences and was damaged very badly. More than 400 people were killed during the attack on the outpost. The aliens were finally defeated by the rheinland military forces and driven back into the Sigmar 17 system.
Exactly when did these events take place? Because I can't think of a condition where they would.
And in any case the nomads as Das Wilde only attacked Rheinland in a major operation once, and that was against New Berlin and they lost quite badly, also keep in mind that up until recently, only a very select few knew about the Nomads.
EDIT: Read Munichs infocards, changed something I was mistaken about, but my argument isn't compromised.
Quote:And the date of the deal lies several years in the past in a time where all help was needed to stop the aliens from overwhelming mankind.
It doesnt work like that. Refer to pre-established Order RP, from the dozens of Order veterans, nevermind myself. The Carrier was only just introduced in 817 A.S., it's a brand new ship, and no 'deal' made several years ago will allow you to use it. Further, you're doing what is known as metagaming, or powergaming, to set up something that never actually happened. You never spoke to Order players about this, you just expect us to take it on faith that, despite being around for so long and having no knowledge of such a transaction ever taking place, that it's ok to let you use one of our most prized ships. Hell, we dont even want most of the indies in the order using them, much less someone who has no previous ties to the order.
Quote:I must say i understand your wish for limiting some ships to factions, but i ask you to think about the people who want to set up somthing different. Like us at the moment. We would not have a chance to play our role as we think it would fit. Again i assure you there will be no "capwhoring"
That's not good enough. If you really want a carrier, work out a deal with the IMG or zoners, they both have something for you. You arent using ours.
What you should be doing is using the equipment provided by the house that you're taking residence within. In the SP campaign, you dont see von claussen or lord hakera flying nephthys class fighters in kusari or rheinland, they use their own native craft, or generic craft. The Order's ships are too valuable to be giving away to small groups like your own, regardless of the amount of credits you can pay.
' Wrote:What you should be doing is using the equipment provided by the house that you're taking residence within. In the SP campaign, you dont see von claussen or lord hakera flying nephthys class fighters in kusari or rheinland, they use their own native craft, or generic craft. The Order's ships are too valuable to be giving away to small groups like your own, regardless of the amount of credits you can pay.
Actually Herr Von Claussen flew a Valkyrie because he defected from the Rheinland Military, and didn't Lork Hakera fly BW class ships, with Outcast guns?
The Rheinland Millitary/Police/Secret Service
You have an established RP in Rheinland, of course, but theres also; Red Hessians, Bundschu, Volksfront and Junkers. But it would be nice to see new RP in Rheinland space, I know that Order Capital ships are a bit.. Extreme.. And I agree with Tenacity when he said, and I quote; "The Carrier was only just introduced in 817 A.S., it's a brand new ship, and no 'deal' made several years ago will allow you to use it."
So id recomend the The Inquisition to use a Osiris instead and using a Roleplay story and make it a Refitted Osiris, with Launch bays and more, to suit your need as a Mobile base. Or even use the perfectly lovely Liners that are Civilian, such as a Prison Liner. And keep the Capitals to a real low, and try to score deals "INRP" with factions that are; Neutral/Friendly to buy a capital or two. But dont get your hopes up.
I enjoyed reading the story, and I think im going to enjoy the RP with The Inquisition.
Well, if you see me as some blockade, that might be, but maybe you do not care about the other voices, which raise points against lacks in your story and behaviour?
Anyways. I will try another approach and give you hints an how your thing could work.
Here is one point I wanted also to bring up:
Johann Brunhild Wrote:also keep in mind that up until recently, only a very select few knew about the Nomads
What you did, was floating around in New Berlin orbit and yelling something like "We are the Inquisition. Are there any Nomad threats in this area?" I highly recommend NOT to do that again. Nearly all Rheinland Military officers (except some high ranked ones), police forces or traders do not know about the Nomad threat, nor about das Wilde. The MND does, but neither they have an official faction, nor should they be around very often in public.
Several people blamed you for inacceptable behaviour against the Rheinwehr authority. But that could turn out as something useful for you: Ktayn raised the point, that you have the possibility to ally with the Bundschuh, because they know about the Nomads. Although that would make you enemies of Rheinlad officially, you could continue your crusade to crush the evil Nomads. You know... like the Order does in Liberty. While writing these lines I see you as some wing of the Order more and more... maybe you talk to the Order leaders, and see what they say to your ideas. (Tenacity said a lot already, but let's see what Rand Seith or SwissScorch bring up.)
Again: one of my biggest concerns is your demand for a Carrier/Capital Ship. First of all, there is no chance for you to fly it legally in Rheinland. Absolutely no chance. But if you want to use it as some kind of supply ship, why don't you station it outside Rheinland, close to the border? Sigma-17 for example. We wouldn't raise any points against that. Alternatively you could station it in some remote Omega system, but I suggest to fix your reputation ideas with some factions first.
Example: You fly around with Order chassis. The Hessians wouldn't like to see that and they control big parts of the Omegas. Ask Blodo for the Hessians point of view in this case. Just putting everybody to neutral isn't the best approach.
To draw a conclusion to this post:
think about your flagship
fix your reputation sheet
think about your behaviour again
I doubt that you will accomplish to create a lawful faction for this purpose. But that needn't to be something bad, just communicate with the Rheinland unlawfuls, they are much nicer then me.
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Ah yes, before I forget... Synth Foods may need some new gardeners:
**INCOMING TRANSMISSION**
=Commander Lee Brandon - Order Primary Fleet=
I would advise against the use of capital class ships in house space.
To them it would look like an act of war and have severe repercussions for the Order as a whole.
**END**
EDIT: //I would say no to a carrier too - maybe a recon cruiser, but not a carrier.
Well Order| uses capital ships within house spaces but those operations are restricted to captains who "know" how to evade the authorities and NEVER EVER show in orbit of a populated planet. This is very very OORP for Order unless there is a situation that needs Order attention near the planet, risking the destruction of capital.
Order is hostile to all houses. There is a tolerance level about our presence in house spaces. Kusari and Rheinland don't "pew" us immediately and accept our passages IF we ask for clearance or they go neutral with us on daily dialogues in space. However, they look for an excuse to take us out and if you give it by flying in a carrier (which is wrong due to your story timeline - tena's statement is correct about the time), you risk dying. So putting a green bar as friends to your post doesn't change much.
You are a sub branch of a bigger, vanilla faction, and you cannot change its diplomacy simply by saying "we are a different branch". It doesn't work that way.
If you want to be active around Rheinland, you have to play by the rules and risks. Whenever Order| goes for an operation, we try to avoid any / ANY interraction with any pilot while we are moving. We go for precise operations and bail out as soon as possible. Before we move into the desired operations area, we decide on several pathways to make our clearance if things go mad. Like, if we enter Bretonia and get spotted, we escape over Kusari's to limit the movement of BAF following us or similar stuff.
We DO HAVE capital craft operating in house systems depending on operations but as you can check from the diplomatic channels and so, NONE of those craft got spotted or had visual contact yet. (talking about Order| not indy wing). Its the RP of Order to stay "in shadows" and let the house people think that its a terrorist bunch. Less attention is better to deal with daily business.
Also, Nomads are not active in Rheinland much. Some do operate near Omega's but main targets are in Omicrons and OVER omicrons, to Liberty. Wilde is active but its not that powerful to require extra Order firepower to go there.
If you still want to do the RP, which I encourage to be done since its a RP will, not lolwut will, I suggest you a) re-shapen your RP according to Order general RP and focus on being "silent" rather than going to planet orbits. I never ever remember us using any planetside bases or something in any space outside of Order friendly list (vanilla friendly list). Like. If you are in Rheinland and need a base, you go to nearest and most "discreet" Freeports or Corsair bases (like Omicron Theta or Omega 5). You don't go to Freeport 1 or something.
When we are operating out of Order standart space, we don't even dock to those bases no matter how bad is our situation. We repair / aid each other and hold till we return back home. Or we lose our craft.
Keyword: BE DISCREET. Operating in house spaces needs EXTRA EXTRA dose of that.
b) add me on skype to learn more about Order. (oganalp.canatan)
All the best.
Also, don't give up, we disco people love to bash and smash. Its the first rule of playing here.
as i can read you all are very unhappy with some things. I will note them here so we can discuss them one by one.
- Herr Brunhild found some story obscurities
- The rheinland authorities dont allow any capital ship in their space
- The order wont allow us to use the carrier at all
- Some players have the intenssion we want to do powergaming
- There are to few rheinland relationships in our list
- There are concerns about our aproach in rheinland
- There are less nomad activities in rheinland than thought
- Ventana made some humorous screenshots
Ok, lets try to tell you our intensions for these points, if i forgot something dont hasitate to remind me of it. I will put it into the list afterwards.
- Herr Brunhild found some story obscurities
This happened shortly after the nomad wars started, this would be the year 800. This story is writen by me and you wont find it in any part of the forum or in the timeline of the sirius sector. After the singleplayer story, its up to us to form the future path for sirius.
- The rheinland authorities dont allow any capital ship in their space
- The order wont allow us to use the carrier at all
I like to answer these two points together.
This seems to be a very sensitive point. It would be ok for us to store the ship in sigmar 17, thats not the problem. But in my eyes its very sad, because you would throw out people who want to fill the munich system (which is dead most of the time) with some life. And i just can ensure again, it would be away from all tradelanes, planets or bases. Its flights would only lead through the sigmar 17 to the far borderworlds. Munich is supposed to be its home system because of Wilhelms background, and nothing more.
When it comes to the light carrier you are right, the timeline does not match with the story. But as mentioned above it could have been an osiris which was upgraded over the years. Sure it would be changed in the story then.
That the order does not agree to sell one of them to us, or allow us to fly one of them is sad for us. Because we cant understand why a group of players who really want to use it for the benefit of rp are denied to use it, while there are indis out there "lolflying" these ships arround just for the reason it has nearly twenty turrets. The limitation gets the wrong point here in my eyes.
- Some players have the intenssion we want to do powergaming
This is not our intension here. We want to benefit the rheinland sector wirh a faction which has churchly marks. We do not want to powergame here in any way. But we also dont want to fly a startracker with starbeams just because everyone says so. As we travel arround through the sirius sector there are only few ships which havent got lvl 10 mounts and an armourupgrade. And i think you can understand that it would be frustrating for us to dont stand a chance against a nomad ship when it comes to a fight.
- There are to few (rheinland) relationships in our list
We agree here, also i like the idea of working together with more factions in rheinland (Red Hessians, Bundschuh etc.) But at this point its very hard even to set up the parameters for the faction.
Would it be possible for an unofficial faction to open a topic in the diplomatic matters?
- There are concerns about our aproach in rheinland
Hm, in 800 there was the nomad war and since then some time has passed. I think the presence of aliens is not the big secret anymore. An attack against mankind can not be hushed up so easy.
- There are less nomad activities in rheinland than thought
Yes, thats a good point. We also want to travel into the borderworlds. That was one reason we choose Munich as a homebase. From there we can reach out into the outer worlds where the nomads do their business. But this does not mean there are no activitys in rheinland, nomads are not that rarely. I see them there from time to time. And it can be fun to fly arround in one of the research vessels and take samples from an asteroid field where a possible nomad activity took place. So there is no need that a nomad is present for our roleplay.
- Ventana made some humorous screenshots
I see you like to make screenshots very much. Yes this was a funny thing and as i gave ArChanum a hint what he wrote was not "rest in peace" we laughed pretty much. I hope you were able to smile about the misspelling the same way we did.
I dont know what you want to tell us with your screenshot but i take it as an amusement in this stormy discussion.
' Wrote:- Ventana made some humorous screenshots
I dont know what you want to tell us with your screenshot but i take it as an amusement in this stormy discussion.
Yeah, exactly my intention with it.
Good to see that you look at some points. Like I said before: most important is to talk to all the faction leaders, BEFORE you start to piss off people in space with your unknown procedures.
Until this is not clearly worked out, you are treated as foreign forces (unfriendly) and asked to leave Rheinland. Order vessels are foreign and definetly NOT civilian. We do not want to risk a possible Nomad infection in Rheinland.
As Rand Seith stated: operate covertly and don't piss the Rheinwehr off anymore.
Quote:After the singleplayer story, its up to us to form the future path for sirius.
Future path is written here pretty much by Igiss and by collaboration of various official factions by setting up events, making storyline twists and so forth. Like mentioned by others there are definitely some pieces falling out, and somewhat contradictory to a pretty much established post-SP story. May be before rushing out the faction concept it is better simply to try out your roleplay with forums posts and more being more careful about how you put it into game, as evidently by post preceding you've done some harmful mistakes in there, for your idea that is. One step at a time, no need to rush things here.
p.s. I reckon I see familiar faces here. Unless it's merely a coincidence in your character names.