Sure how's this. You Zoners make Dusty, Quorg and Me kings of the universe and give us 50% of all of your profits, and we'll acknowledge that Zoners are neutral and we'll treat them as if they were our neutral buddies.
No? Why not? What, we didn't EARN OUR WAY TO THE KINGS OF THE UNIVERSE TITLE?
Opening a new topic with a quote and ending it with "get your facts together" makes me dissappointed. Why? Because you fail to recognise one thing. That thing is that Zoners screwed up, repeatedly in history.
Whenever there was a conflict between some side and Zoners, they would start to yell invoking neutrality and demand the neutrality instead of rping it out. Add to that the fact that 70% of zoners are just douches with traders that don't even want to rp but are earning their way to something else and you'll figure where you are wrong.
So, "get your facts together" man, and poke people that have issues with Zoners when Zoners start to do things right.
So apparently I'm wrong and each freeport shouldn't be independent, because that creates alot of "paperwork". Sure, this situation you're all in works all better for you.
In fact, people from the future that come back daily say that you guys end up being kings of universe eventually.
Edit: Corsairs aren't just scared of Juggernauts cause, seriously... We can take down one. Cmon that's just weak ass excuse. I'ld really love to think that freeports in Omegas are still active because Zoners are useful to Corsairs, like some Zoner factions are.
Ask Doc Holiday when did he get pirated last time by a Corsair with some standing.
' Wrote:Sure how's this. You Zoners make Dusty, Quorg and Me kings of the universe and give us 50% of all of your profits, and we'll acknowledge that Zoners are neutral and we'll treat them as if they were our neutral buddies.
I like this idea.
But remember, Ivan- there is a difference between the diplomacy of a faction determined by the players and the diplomacy determined by the game.
It's very funny of zoners that they are giving military access to their bases and still trying to say "we are neutral" Now imagine someone would use neutral country as a placdram to lunch attacks to to other by moving armies trough it. You think the "neutral" country would stay "neutral" for long? Here another question. Would it be neutral thing to allow military access for some other parties. Isn't that open praticipation in war? And if you are participating, you -must- take sides.
I'm really sick and tired of "we are neutral" as some freelancer canon and no rp trying to enforce it. Sorry, peeps but if you called yourself a fish you gonna need to dive in the water. I see nagionations and diplomacy work of zoners as very important part of their roleplay.
Alltought, I never saw any, any post concerning military access issue. And that wouldn't be a problem if only lolwuts would gather in that fp 9 from my point of view. But the thing is even 101st's are using it last time I saw.
Don't understand me wrong, there is zoner players who really make up for the task, for example Doc Holiday. But there is a lot of others who just plays same game as any corporation just with "we are neutral" charm on their side.
Maybe, but KNF wouldn't be KNF if they actually all traded and noone protected Kusari, would they? (Interesting gag to do!)
But seriously. I'll talk about this from Corsair perspective since I did spent alot time there and met alot of Zoners.
You cannot "tag along" to zoner neutrality. You have to work with it.
Believe it or not, Zoner's rp isn't to haul most expensive goods and make most profit. It's about maintaining that neutrality and enforcing it when needed. That is why some groups managed to get extempt from piracy or at least just need to pay a small fee.
Relations are built. And zoners are hardest faction to rp. At the current situation, I certainly wouldn't make one.
It's kind of hard to RP diplomacy when the other factions just want to steal yer goldz and womyns and bases.
And look at the Junkers- they are considered (mostly) neutral yet very rarely do they have to deal with the crap thrown at Zoners, in spite of the fact that many unlawfuls use Junker bases as staging areas for attacks on other factions.
Zoners arent neutral by choice they are neutral because if they ally them selfs with someone they will get so many enemies they wont handle it + their trading goes around whole sirius and they need to cooperate or they are out.
Zoners are here to be pushed and if someone needs more space, he takes a bit of zoner space coz they need to stay neutral and therefor wont pick fight or they end up in circle of bloodshed without end.
For their neutrality they can only keep being pushed by other factions. And if you employ your defense forces into combat vs other factions even only to defend your self, you are automaticly making allies and enemies by simple "Friend of my enemy is my enemy".
The reason for why other factions didnt conquer freeports so far is becose they are virtually undefendable unless you leave considerable military presence near them or close in same system.
And thats only becose other factions have so many enemies.
So your neutrality comes from staying between mortal enemies and hoping they wont make that "final" push. Your capital ships might make freeports a bit stronger, but its nothing house militaries or outcasts/corsairs couldnt handle.
Actually living on freeport 9 would be in constant fear that Corsairs come from gamma or outcasts from beta or bounty hunters and make that demand to surrender the station. And denying anything to someone from those factions could have so much unforseen repercussions. And if they do your only hope to retain control over station would be to ally your self with faction opposed to the one making demand.
And i can imagine that when some corsair gets drunk in freeport 9 bar and yells all around that his family will come to kill everyone, while hes being pushed out, Zoners living on station must be sh#$%^&* them selfs and pray it wont happen.
Zee
P.S. Zoners are greatest evil ever imaginable and all factions should ally versus them;)
' Wrote:So then is that why everyone wants a piece of the Zoners? Because they have nice things? That sounds more like jealousy than any sort of RP.
Exactly! Zoners have nice things!
or, really, everyone else is expansionistic, the zoners don't make tooo much sense for the addition of all these nice things and massive fleetgrowth, and, also, do the whiney 'everyone hates us' bit. Which is fun to flame at. This is a flamethread, by the way. Has been since, oh, the seventh post. Needs a lock.