It is by killing the attackers or supply the base that well so they could not do any Dmg in long term -in 8 hours siege the said base was without repairs and on 39% hull when the stunts stated, the base should be dead in less then 20 min if the said people haven't done this.
Supplying the base under siege is made intentionally no go by Cannon- he included it in his calculations- you can check the announcement part of the forum.
Shield should keep the base alive till the defenders remove the attackers by force not by abusing the game mechanics.
(10-09-2013, 10:51 AM)Knjaz Wrote: Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)
' Wrote:I don't know. From the description it seems that those transports flew deliberately into a line of fire. Onlookers are a fair game.
Would be a different story if they were targeted but I'm not sure this is the case.
Also isn't possible to add protection to vessels undocking from a player base?
Player bases always undock at same location. That location was being shot, so as they undocked, they got shot before they could move 2M's. That violates the rule "If the player respawns in the same system, he/she must leave the system within 10 minutes of his destruction without attacking anyone, except in self-defense. Other players are not allowed to attack one who is leaving."
They did not allow players to leave, as they were all AFK firing with mouse weighed down. So no RP(against rules) and not allowing to leave(against rules) A simple anouncement of "we will stop firing for 1 minute, all ships must leave station at this point" would have saved them the sanctions. But again. AFK players cannot speak can they? IMO there should also be a rule about that as well.
Fact is. They broke the rules, they got sanctioned for it. Now they all pissed, and want to rage because they did not get there way like a toddler who dropped his toy out of reach.
Many of "you" came back after getting killed by a weapon platform. Should it be considered PvP death if, as you say, it is a combat zone and bystanders are fair game?
' Wrote:It should be possible by other means than sending countless ships directly in the fire for slaughter and then reporting the attackers for shooting at the base.
The Admins have alread answered this. It was -you- doing something wrong, not anyone else. Be so wise please, and search the mistake on your end.
' Wrote:Many of "you" came back after getting killed by a weapon platform. Should it be considered PvP death if, as you say, it is a combat zone and bystanders are fair game?
This didn't happened- there were fighters and bombers assigned to take care of the weapon platforms. There were such also dispatched to cut all the ways to the base. RM tried to break the siege using force first but they were removed as well.
You are simply not telling the truth- if you do - show pictures here of any of the base attackers killed or badly damaged( 1-5% hull no bats and bots) by weapon platform without any enemy ship attacking it- I never saw such thing till I was there. We lost ships in Stuttgart shooting on RM indeed but the base is in Omega 7.
' Wrote:The Admins have alread answered this. It was -you- doing something wrong, not anyone else. Be so wise please, and search the mistake on your end.
Guess what the admins are people and make mistakes as well. If you see nothing wrong about people abusing game mechanics to supply base with shield on under siege then I have nothing more to say.
(10-09-2013, 10:51 AM)Knjaz Wrote: Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)
' Wrote:This didn't happened- there were fighters and bombers assigned to take care of the weapon platforms. There were such also dispatched to cut all the ways to the base. RM tried to break the siege using force first but they were removed as well.
You are simply not telling the truth- if you do - show pictures here of any of the base attackers killed or serve damaged( 1-5% hull no bats and bots) by weapon platform without any enemy ship attacking it....
Guess what the admins are people and make mistakes as well.
[sarcasm]Just a terrible mistake, nothing else.[/sarcasm]
' Wrote:Guess what the admins are people and make mistakes as well.
This is true. But shooting players without RP, and not permitting them to undock and leave. Well that is rule violations, no matter how you swing it lad. You broke those rules. Yelling they asked for it, or they got in our way makes no difference. The way rule is written you violated the rules, not them. As said in sanction they asked to leave, but no answers, and they get blown up again. They RP'd, no shooters responded.
So to put it in plain and simple english. You break rules. You get sanction. You stop whining and go play game now. Sanction right, you wrong.
But Ryoken, this is also about nipping something in the bud, it can't just be reduced to "u mad u got sanctioned". It's a much needed discussion regarding the future of base sieges.
Maybe the more careful look into the thread will get your attention to the point, dear angry readers, that topic starter said he have nothing against being sanctioned.
However, the situation is unclear. The abuse took place, the transports have undocked into the massive capship fire not because someone forced them to do so by standing with a dangerous razor behind them, but because they pushed the button themselves. Fifteen times in a roll, or how many was that?
I was not between the base defenders neither I was between attackers. But it looks like the whole situation with reports, constant undocks into the fire, cloaked ships waiting outside to do a quick dock, etc requires some more attention and must be reviewed and investigated with taking all the parts of a puzzle into account.
But personally, I do not expect anything being done.
' Wrote:But Ryoken, this is also about nipping something in the bud, it can't just be reduced to "u mad u got sanctioned". It's a much needed discussion regarding the future of base sieges.
Yup. But if they were firing on edges of base(which i have done with dread in past) and not the docking/undocking point, and if they were there and not AFK with mouse weighed down, and if they just RP'd. NONE of this would have happened.
I really see that nothing needs to be changed, other then the "BASE MUST DIE, KILL AT ALL COSTS" mentallity.
PS. Just to add a point. Well shooting a base in Yorktown. We had a transport pop out, we all stopped firing, and told it to be gone, and had some bombers chase it away, then continued firing. So how hard is it really? Allso as stated. We fired at edges, not docking/undocking point. With shields they cannot dock, so why bother.