Question to SCRA about New London engagement

[JayDee Kasane]

There been no metagaming actually, and SCRA didnt knew of event so good. I just told them I cant log my SCRA ship because Im already sighned for TBH event at that moment. Thats all they knew about it. When SCRA gathered for raid they saw TBH in O5 and decided that event will be in O5 so they went to raid Bretonia to avoid Sairs. And while they was just about to start shootings with BAF - Corsairs came and engaged at all targets. SCRA simply got involved into event they had little idea of, because when event was over SCRA raiding party leader asked me why the hell I didnt said him that event is in NL, he said that he would raid Liberty instead of Bretonia.
But whatever folks, it was fun raid for both sides, and Jack you been left one of few Sair surviviours on fight so dont take this close. Plus its been a long time since SCRA\TBH pews in Omega49 and I cant say this time it was that bad refresh of pews.

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[jammi]

There been no metagaming actually, and SCRA didnt knew of event so good. I just told them I cant log my SCRA ship because Im already sighned for TBH event at that moment. Thats all they knew about it. When SCRA gathered for raid they saw TBH in O5 and decided that event will be in O5 so they went to raid Bretonia to avoid Sairs. And while they was just about to start shootings with BAF - Corsairs came and engaged at all targets.

Yeah, right. You're not convincing anyone of that. The SCRA came there specifically to fight the well-advertised Corsair fleet. There's no problem with that whatsoever, and attending a public event that was publicly advertised and publicly disseminated through as many Skype chats as possible - specifically to get more people involved - is fine. So why the lies?

[Mímir]

DISCLAIMER: NOT A DISCUSSION, NOT MAD, DON'T CARE ABOUT THE SUBJECT ALL THAT MUCH.

Out of curiosity, why are Coalition hostile to Corsairs? From an ideological point of view, the Corsairs can be viewed as the faction in the game that is the most oppressed by capitalistic market forces. There was the shared tech in the past as well. Does the hostilities have to do with Mollys / RHA?

The way I view it, ideally the (ideological) target hierarchy should be like this:

1. House Intelligence services
2. House Militaries
3. House Police
4. House corporate security / Bounty Hunters / Mercs
5. House corporate haulers / miners
6. Individual capitalistic entrepreneurs (i.e. freelancer traders that purely trade for own wealth)
7. Pirates and scumbags (if pirates target Coalition or allies, of course they are number 1 priority. But a pirate at the lanes in Bretonia, robbing corp transports is just inadvertently helping out the cause, weakening the bourgeoisie)

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[Adam_Spire]

DISCLAIMER: NOT A DISCUSSION, NOT MAD, DON'T CARE ABOUT THE SUBJECT ALL THAT MUCH.

Out of curiosity, why are Coalition hostile to Corsairs? From an ideological point of view, the Corsairs can be viewed as the faction in the game that is the most oppressed by capitalistic market forces. There was the shared tech in the past as well. Does the hostilities have to do with Mollys / RHA?

The way I view it, ideally the (ideological) target hierarchy should be like this:

1. House Intelligence services
2. House Militaries
3. House Police
4. House corporate security / Bounty Hunters / Mercs
5. House corporate haulers / miners
6. Individual capitalistic entrepreneurs (i.e. freelancer traders that purely trade for own wealth)
7. Pirates and scumbags (if pirates target Coalition or allies, of course they are number 1 priority. But a pirate at the lanes in Bretonia, robbing corp transports is just inadvertently helping out the cause, weakening the bourgeoisie)

Two bad bullies on the play ground who see themselves as the greater good, beating their chests at one another?

[jammi]

The SCRA were originally fully allied with the Corsairs - not just a tech share. The split happened due to a political falling out between the SCRA's leadership and the Corsair Council of Elders. It probably would've blown over in time, but the SCRA decided to pivot to the Hessians (who they'd previously been fighting alongside the Corsairs in Omega 5) as security. This was when the RHA was first developing their own revolutionary/left wing RP as well, so it seemed a natural fit.

From there, the Corsairs became a primary enemy due to their proximity to '52, which led to fairly frequent raids. Also why they had the system redesigned to sew up every jumphole with chainfiring destroyer weapon platforms of doom. Having people raid your home system is unfair, after all. Raiding the Corsair home system also presented a ripe target for the (then) generally high skilled SCRA guys to wipe the floor with generally low-skilled Corsair indies and rack up lots of blues. Having the Corsairs as a primary enemy was generally considered better for their activity, and between that and the more or less continuous fighting there wasn't much impetus to patch things up.

In the many years since the above through to the present, yeah, the alliance with both the Hessians and the Mollys are primary obstacles to re-evaluating relations with the Corsairs. Even so much as dropping to neutral would require the Coalition basically tearing their entire diplomatic stance to the ground, breaking all their bridges and starting anew.

That said, I have always found the Coalition's stance on corporate players amusing. They want to tear down House governments and decry capitalism, but at the same time, refuse to target the physical manifestations of capitalism in its purist form, and ignore the corporations that in some cases run the governments, and in all others sustain and support them at the very least. Bizarre.

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[Jack_Henderson]

Tnx jammi. This little trip into history answered my questions really well. I knew I was lacking some information there.

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[Pepe]

Logging third party to fight in some well announced and polarized battle is childish and that disturbs old farts like Jack and me. It's much easier to deal battle details (my daily white metagaming) with enemy if things are simple: Side A strikes side B. No side C. I have really bad experience with many sides C. Not this time, ofc.

This time I messed it up. BAF didn't log. I really couldn't guess. Our sieging event would end bad if there was no third party to balance things. I'm grateful SCRA bravely helped weaker side and died in the process, but I'd really appreciate if you all simply logged your Bretonian ships and kept it simple. This thread wouldn't exist.

If SCRA wants to pew Sairs, simply set event details with Sair warchief. I've heard he's nice dude. Feel free to razor him any time, pixels don't hurt

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