Broadsword, paperplane of bombers. Due to the shape and armor.
Roc, decent on it's own right. Those wings need clipin'. (sun)
Orchids, lulz @ Jinx.
Still wondering what he thought when he did that weird shaped banana with wings. Light bomber, but so easy to shoot at.
Cuttie. Decent. A workhorse. Not fast to be a light.
Now, as Connor said, he doesn't see the advantage of light bombers.
Man i sure do.
I saw 3 of those new Coalition medium, small bombers that have like 100 regens, center torp and well, they are smaller than most light bombers, and believe me, they did an outstanding job of holding their own against an onslaught.
So as Joe said, ye medium bombers like that are the shizzzzzz.
So the whole advantage of the present light bombers in a fight? None.
Except they look cute as they flail around.
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' Wrote:I saw 3 of those new Coalition medium, small bombers that have like 100 regens, center torp and well, they are smaller than most light bombers, and believe me, they did an outstanding job of holding their own against an onslaught.
far too outstanding if you ask me.
compare them to a Decurion.
I don't see a difference at all , except coalition bombers can mount snac and turn faster,
are the same size or even smaller (and have the ability turret steer?)
Well , they just go in my big book of things to avoid while flying Titan,
next to Odins.
If anything this shows that something has to be done about the poor options for OC bomber pilots - two more or less similar ships with ok handling, giant hitboxes and tiny powercores. Both are in the list, and they are both terribly mediocre in a very similar way. One has prettier textures though. Proper OC bomber please, or buff the Falcata.
Could someone provide the various stats which detail the way the two ships pictured move? Perhaps a few more comparisons of ships such as the revo bomber, next to say... a broadsword. Or perhaps a Falcata or Cutlass next to the GMG bomber.
Well I learned to SNAC Fighters and instakill them thanks to lightbombers. On your list the Roc was the only one I used which I inherited from my Preagle before. The real one I gained all my practice with was the BHG bomber which is one of the light bombers. I admit I have, since that initial time, shortened myself to two medium bombers that I sometimes use (bombers aren't as all around powerfull as they used to be.....). I agree a pack of 3 Kaichous will down a cap faster then 3 BHG bombers but I also know that 3 skilled BHG bombers can wreck a wing of Fighters better then 3 skilled Kaichous (I've witnessed these scenarios quite often). They are pretty nifty little bombers those BHG ones, perhaps toss a 5th hardpoint for all the light bombers.
I keep saying I'll remake my BHG bomber, darn thing comes with paperwork for every kill though........
edit add: I know the Bergelmir is a very very good bomber. I know this in my heart and it's why I've owned one for soooo long. For some damn crazy reason I just cannot get a proper handle on it. I have yet to ever SNAC a fighter with it. Driving me nuts. By all accounts I should have no problem since I can do it with bombers of lesser performance. The thing is cursed, I dont know, maybe it's pitch and yaw is opposite to what I prefer in my flight patterns. It's a good bomber though, I'm sure of it, despite being nerfed.
The issue with that is the intention with which they are balanced. Bombers are apparently not supposed to be ships designed to wreck fighters (the fact of the matter is, if the fighters have half a clue how to fly, a wing of bombers can and will be demolished by half their number of fighters, regardless of whether they're light, heavy, etc).
The bombers you mentioned (Roc and BHG bomber) are probably more at the top end of the whole light bomber sub-catagory anyway. The issue is, those bombers will be less effective at ripping up caps. This is apparently counteracted by them being better at killing fighters.
As the balance team repeatedly say, bombers, regardless of subc-catagory should not be killing fighters in the first place. (My opinion on this is that even throughout 4.84, bombers were inferiour anti-snub ships then fighters were, and a good fighter would kick the ever living *ehem* out of a good bomber any day, and that the fighters that regularly died to bombers were rather inexpert in their handling of their ship, but that's not relevant to this thread.)
A bomber's role is to kill caps, so why have two tiers of effectiveness at this task, within the 'normal' bombers (not counting Fafnir, Challenger, Barghest, etc)?
Furthermore, the majority of light bombers take less time to shoot down than ships such as the Bergelmir or Cougar. I can dodge just as well in a bergelmir as I can in a Falcata, for example. And on top of that have more armour and more bots. This seems like a pretty glaring miscalculation in balance, to me, as it leads to the medium bombers having equal survivability to light bombers, and more firepower to use in that time.
' Wrote:Mmmmm, The only way I can see this fixed is by introducing a Light-Medium-Heavy version of ANY ship type for ANY faction. So apart from the Turtle, the Rheinlanders would get a medium and light battleships and the same goes for Liberty. They would also receive all three kinds of snubs and other caps, so if we do not consider the mountainous work it would require, it would simply come down to which of the three are used. So those who think their light bomber is meh, can use a heavier one.
Instead of creating ships.. it might be easier to introduce some kind of modules which would tweak ship parameters. Increasing something at the cost of decreasing something else. The ideal would be increasing some start effectivness 10 percent at a cost of decreasing something else at 15 percent. (unmodded ship should be better in overall compared to modded one, imo)
Well, it sounds more like a juicy vision that actuall reality, because balancing is not that easy as just to cut some numbers from one side and add a bit on the other. But it might be easier than making a bunch of new ships.
... oh and cap ships, those are diffrent story because of tremendous diffrences hitboxes have.
Tbh, i would venture to say that what took me in to the Mamo (Light) was the size and speed.
It was the survival capability of it.
I could enter a Gamma hellstorm with it and last longer than any other bomber in there.
It also meant i took more time to bring down a capital because of the regen and power.
But the survival rate in that thing in .85 was top. No other bomber could beat it at it except the Bergel.
Why? The size.
Now? The Mamo is somewhat slower, bigger than a Bergel or a whatyoumaycallitdaggerbomber from SCRA, and it's considered a light bomber.
Still use it though, it's a love for life.
So if the job of a bomber is to shoot down caps, light bombers should be about survival, heavies about damage and mediums.. well, mediums.
With the current models present, that ain't happening.
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On a more serious note: I think bombers shouldn't have guns at all. Instead they should be given 2 torp slots and a cd slot and enough energy to use them effectively. Of course this would require a heavy bomber rebalance. I could go deeper into this topic, but nobody will read this after the first part of my post so **** it.
Dear god do I love shooting at Orchids. They're just so easy to kill. Low armour, and an easy shape to hit. I would suggest making this into a medium bomber, by virtue of it's shape.
About time someone other than the GC players came out and said this. I've been sick to death of all the people going "Orchid is OP, stop complaining."
It's not. It sucks as hard as some people wish the GC did. (Stop chuckling you sexists.)
One of the worst bombers in my opinion. Converting to a medium bomber would be perfect given its shape and size, which is pretty much spot-on to all the medium bombers' sizes.