Stuff like this is what causes good things to break. One person complains about something being "OP" and tries to ruin it for everyone, simply because they are unable to pew it. I've never flown one, or fought one but looking at the specs and what people have said about it, it's far from being "OP" you understand how much time the devs put into balancing everything in this game? It's like the Sorta. You don't hit it's sides, you hit it from the top or bottom.
People always complain about ships being "OP" just because they're fighting good pilots. When they actually try the ships for themselves, they get ripped apart and sell them the next day.
Examples:
Hatchet. Hatchet is good because the people who use it are experienced with it. Everybody I see complain about how OP it is who actually goes and buys one sells it the next day when they realize how awful they are with it.
Bretonian Battleship. Bretonian Battleship is a decent battleship, yes, but it's nowhere near OP. The only reason people think it's OP is because the people who use it tend to be more skilled in oppose to all the noobs spamming liberty dreadnaughts as their first capital ships.
And now the eclipse bomber? Seriously? The eclipse is freakin' huge...
I will agree, there are some ships needing balance, such as the AI cruiser and Bottlenose, but most of the ships are very well balanced, and there are nowhere near as many OP ships as people think they are. I know, I've flown more than 150 of them and fought against many types of enemies with each.
It is not even near OP or better then anything. It looks like whine topic to me.
Nada Devi and Bergel are the only OP bombers in heavy segment.
Smaller bombers also need some changes more info in Joe bomber topic in balance.
What surely happened is someone with good TS skills using bomber I bet the same person would look OP to you in every bomber since he just got more skills then you. TS and Zoom on Bombers,Freighters and SHFs is idiotic and OP and exploitable not the bomber itself. Such ships are not designed for TS- same thing to tell that TSing camara is OP- well it is paperhulled cheap freighter and it was cheese to kill for the last 2-3 years but with TS and Zoom.
Jack is also half right about the cloaking issue since barghest cannot cloak, RHA bomber however is made for this- so blame Blodo for the issue not unlawfuls in general.
(10-09-2013, 10:51 AM)Knjaz Wrote: Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)
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(04-01-2013, 10:00 PM)Govedo13 Wrote: It is not even near OP or better then anything. It looks like whine topic to me.
Nada Devi and Bergel are the only OP bombers in heavy segment.
Smaller bombers also need some changes more info in Joe bomber topic in balance.
What surely happened is someone with good TS skills using bomber I bet the same person would look OP to you in every bomber since he just got more skills then you. TS and Zoom on Bombers,Freighters and SHFs is idiotic and OP and exploitable not the bomber itself. Such ships are not designed for TS- same thing to tell that TSing camara is OP- well it is paperhulled cheap freighter and it was cheese to kill for the last 2-3 years but with TS and Zoom.
Jack is also half right about the cloaking issue since barghest cannot cloak, RHA bomber however is made for this- so blame Blodo for the issue not unlawfuls in general.
Freighters and SHFs are really bad without TS. An SHF should be able to take a VHF on and win, in the same way that a VHF should be able to take on a HF and win. They also really suck at group fights.
Furthermore how does one TS on a bomber? Don't all the guns fire forwards except for 2 turrets at most?
(04-15-2013, 10:16 AM)ichiru Wrote: in the same way that a VHF should be able to take on a HF and win.
I don't quite get where you get that from.
In that case, shouldn't a Light Fighter lose to all of them?
Or does it, at some point, turn into a situation where the norms of bigger > smaller swap roles like a tired married couple does during their private nights alone?
I don't think it's OP, I think the Nanda Devi is better.
In fact, I'd like all bombers to handle like barghie/nanda/eclipse/fafnir etc.
Just remove turret steer/zoom for bombers as well.
(04-15-2013, 11:07 AM)JayDee Wrote: I only say one thing: If Eclipse isnt that OP, why do indie pirates that fly snub I see is on Eclipse about 70% of times?
Because it is civvie tech, its got a nice size cargo hold for cloakers and because it packs enough of a punch to be a serious threat to newbie LNS cap pilots that - contrary to more seasoned players - will have just as hard a time hitting the Eclipse as they would hitting the Cutlass.
(04-15-2013, 11:07 AM)JayDee Wrote: I only say one thing: If Eclipse isnt that OP, why do indie pirates that fly snub I see is on Eclipse about 70% of times?
Because it's the only heavy bomber with 2 torpedo slots and an extra disruptor slot besides the Barghest which independent pirates can fly without receiving a nerf to 10%.
Obviously, those that have any sense of logic choose the bomber with 90% energy, the Eclipse, rather than 75%, the Barghest.
Nothing about it is overpowered. I've fought plenty of Eclipses, each and every single one being an easy kill when fighting them with a small ship, as intended. Something bigger than a bomber is obviously going to get its hull ripped apart by it.
I've also flown the Eclipse plenty, and am a good enough bomber pilot to note it isn't an overpowered bomber at all, unlike the Bergelmir and Cougar. As stated above, any fighter or light bomber will wreck it with ease, given the pilot of that isn't a complete moron.
tl;dr - learn how rock/paper/scissor works before complaining about something being overpowered. Having some skill works too.