Why did Yanagi have to go?

[Sava]

Because 2 bases are better than one.
Of course, splitting outcast and corsair docking locations in Sigma-13 will increase the number of their interactions.

Also, it's a known fact that a base in certain system attracts players of the associated NPC faction.
Just take a look at OC activity in Newcastle, Lorraine and Eta.
Or sairs in Lambda etc.
Suuuure.

[Trogdor]

That's true tyro, but the Rogues can hide from the Libertonians, even in New York. You can't really say that when it comes to the Junkers on Yanagi and the GMG in the Sigmas.

One would think if snubs alone were capable of destroying a base, Liberty would have swept the field where Buffalo is hidden and taken it out by now. It's a bit silly to think oh, well that field is just SO large there's no way they'd ever find it.. but then Libby built this equally-large minefield to protect Zone 21. They are fielding massive resources to fight a war with Rheinland, and now a war with Gallia, and yet they can't take out that little pirate base?

My take on the continued existence of Buffalo is that Libby can't get their caps in there. And yet we're supposed to believe that the GMG can just up and obliterate Yanagi with...whatever corporate escorts they have?

And the Junker response to this is... Meh?

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[CadaverCII]

I am as sad as anyone to see Yanagi go; It was my home station, and favorite base (The only really interesting base the Junkers had). But whats done is done, and the base is gone.

The lore explanation:

Since the debris fields were finally cleared, ALG sold off Helgoland to the GMG. The GMG then proceeded to chase off the Junkers. Meanwhile, the OC and Sairs built outposts in the system because they could (?) [oorply, the idea was to drive OC/Sair fights back towards the Sigmas].

This doesn't make sense for a few reasons. Did the GMG just show up with a fleet and say "Get out"? If so the Junkers would contact organizations that used the base, and had deals with to combat the force. Or did the GMG just show up, and blow the base up? Then wouldn't the GMG be hostile towards the Junkers for their actions?

I thought about it myself, and someone earlier mentioned it; it makes more sense that The Wild destroyed the station.

However, the devs are trying to not create any new base entries so recycling existing ones is the order of the day.

So which base was "Recycled" to make the second pirate base? I mean this as an actual question; not rhetorical.

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[aerelm]

So which base was "Recycled" to make the second pirate base? I mean this as an actual question; not rhetorical.

Yanagi was recycled as the Corsair base there. The Outcast base was one of the bases in Eta.

[CadaverCII]

So which base was "Recycled" to make the second pirate base? I mean this as an actual question; not rhetorical.

Yanagi was recycled as the Corsair base there. The Outcast base was one of the bases in Eta.

Oh alright, thanks dude.

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[tyro]

I am not opposed to change, the changes are good. But in a game like this, where an important role is played by story and lore, the changes must be carried out carefully and thoroughly.

In the tradition of Freelancer changes occur slowly, stations do not disappear overnight, and new does not appear like mushrooms after the rain. Bases do not have the ability to move between systems. (Although it might be invented).

But most importantly, every change should be documented and explained in the infocards and make sense in lore. Meanwhile, there are many changes that are done carelessly and without respect for tradition. We have new owners of stations, but the info is old. Not only in the case of Yanagi. This testifies to the carrying out changes without taking into account the lore.

I suppose that many of these changes were introduced because of the balance between the factions, the so-called economy or to prevent unwanted actions of players and abuse, which in the past were sanctioned.

Everything is ok, but changes based only on the reports of sanctions are not always good, because they often kill the fun. Many current changes have solved the problems, but also killed the fun and activity of some fractions.

my 2 cents not only for this topic.

[ProwlerPC]

Wow to those talking about championing lore and Vanillia and all that jazz (something I do too) you certainly didn't read much on Yanagi. It's temporary nature was known by Junkers, ALG and GMG before, during and now after it's purpose has been fullfilled. I believe in Vanilla Lore, Yanagi was the only Junker Base whose location was openly known by the local law force. Whomever is the fool talking about GMG being a mere corporation doesn't read lore and yet is very vocal about Vanilla. This is cute but in vain since anyone and their mother's can verify anything about Vanilla. Junkers and ALG shoulda both found new contracts and locations to work. Trollol, ALG would be out of the cleaningup business if they never manage to figure out how to clean things up. Just keep tossing them more messes.......should be several new graveyards throughout Sirius by now.

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[LunaticOnTheGrass]

I don't know where the whole "The Junkers were told to leave" tinfoil theory came from. The Battle of Yanagi is all cleaned up and with it was cleaned up the reason for the Junkers to remain there.

There's literally a new Junker-owned station (well... a derelict) a system away. Many of the Yanagi Junkers probably moved there because they go where the good scrap is.

[CadaverCII]

I don't know where the whole "The Junkers were told to leave" tinfoil theory came from. The Battle of Yanagi is all cleaned up and with it was cleaned up the reason for the Junkers to remain there.

A dev... earlier in this very thread.

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[Trogdor]

The station was being used for more than just the legitimate salvage operation. I really see no reason why they would have abandoned a perfectly good space station just because the legitimate job was over with. The unlawful activities that went on there were probably (arguably?) sufficient to keep the base going.

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