Omicrons systems layout re-work.

[Echo 7-7]

I'm not quite clear on what you're trying to communicate here. If you're referring to O-74 beind de-guarded, it is my intention to leave only the shipyard as a Guard base hidden inside the nebula.

What of Corinth?

Nothing decided yet.

btw, where is Sigma 17 -> Munich hole? 8|

That was removed for 4.87.0 probably because there's now a Sigma-17 -> Munich hole... was that jump even used much anyway?

Revision 3 uploaded. Still looking for something to do with that Phantom system...

You can create some sort of 'guardian remnant' sector without direct connection FROM the 'human' sector.

I'm not quite clear on what you're trying to communicate here. If you're referring to O-74 beind de-guarded, it is my intention to leave only the shipyard as a Guard base hidden inside the nebula.

Actually I'm looking forward to delete guard IFF, if it's possible. Make Corinth and Livadia close to each other, for example - just like Livadia now located, in orbit of Tirane. FP 15 move to Kappa, Sparta erase.

Bases can't be properly erased without some fiddly work with the player database which will take the server offline for several hours. In order to keep updates as smooth as possible, we're probably not going to do this in the near future.

While many factions and bases are in the process of being "de-guarded", the current policy is that any faction with their own capital ships sells them at their own Guard IFF shipyard; that's why Livadia Shipyard would stay Guard.

You also need to take into account system size and distance between jump holes, not just the number of systems. The proposed Alpha-Gamma route is shorter overall, as it avoids Lambda, which is very large and mostly empty.

Whatever, I'm just concerned in regards of removing buffer systems between Lorraine and the Taus, and said two Omicron systems are part of that issue.

I guess it wouldn't be too hard to merge Omicron-80 and Omicron-81. My condition would be that the minefield stays, though, as that's part of the lore. Whether or not that happens, O-81 will need to be shrunk.

For the love of God delete Om-Zeta.That system killed the game for
Order,BHG|Core,Nomads,Saires and Zoners in Omicrons.
It has no use,only forcing players fly 300k until they meet someone in Delta.
Put Delta jh in Minor where it belongs.Delta is natural crossroad in Omicrons,all factions are there.

Treewyrm is looking at ways to get rid of Omicron Zeta. I've been informed that it is putting an arrow in the knee of activity in the region, so I do agree that changes are required. If it can't be deleted immediately, an intermediary step may be to bring the Jump Holes much closer together in order to effectively shrink the system.

Instead of deleting Zeta, how about deleting Delta and keep on using Zeta as a activity hub, although by making it smaller. Wizard is right, the system is too big, but on the other hand it fits much better into the upper omicrons with its green nebulas than Delta does with is ugly black background.. Put the iridium mining fields into the asteriod belt of zeta sun (inside the radiation field), FP 11 at the location of current Omicron Delta jh in Zeta, done. I say we should get rid of Yaren, as it does not have any real purpose anymore and Omicron Gamma is not that far away that Sairs need a base in the upper omicrons where you will rarely see them anyway.

Delta's background is actually appropriate; if you picture the Omicron nebula as one giant, snaking cloud - much like the Barrier Nebula - it actually has a giant, hollow core. Delta is right in the centre of that hollow space.

Personally, I'd rather not wipe Delta because of its history and legacy of RP in the system. (The Admins may also be angry at the Temple of the Damned being moved.) Zeta, on the other hand, is newer, so has less impact from being removed... and it feels like a much more bland system to fly through.

Addendum: Actually, Treewyrm was looking at incorporating Zeta's features into another system - possibly Minor. Best of both worlds that way.

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[Curios]

btw, where is Sigma 17 -> Munich hole? 8|

That was removed for 4.87.0 probably because there's now a Sigma-17 -> Munich hole... was that jump even used much anyway?

Wait, there is no Sigma 17 -> Munich hole because there is Sigma 17 -> Munich hole? You wot m8 ))

Actually, according to your own map there is only Sigma 13 - Munich hole. This is a longer way. Also holes to hamburg from Frankfurt are gone as well. It was a good smuggling route for artifacts because was going through holes and neutral-friendly territories (Unioneers). Now it's in ruins. Also Sails used it a lot to get to Frankfurt to pirate the lanes there.

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[Echo 7-7]

btw, where is Sigma 17 -> Munich hole? 8|

That was removed for 4.87.0 probably because there's now a Sigma-17 -> Munich hole... was that jump even used much anyway?

Wait, there is no Sigma 17 -> Munich hole because there is Sigma 17 -> Munich hole? You wot m8 ))

Actually, according to your own map there is only Sigma 13 - Munich hole. This is a longer way. Also holes to hamburg from Frankfurt are gone as well. It was a good smuggling route for artifacts because was going through holes and neutral-friendly territories (Unioneers). Now it's in ruins. Also Sails used it a lot to get to Frankfurt to pirate the lanes there.

Typo. Meant to say "... because there is a S-13 -> Munich hole..."
Technically that particular jump hole is not within the scope of this set of changes, but I will address it when reviewing Rheinland.

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[Xalrok]

Looking at the map, the Sigma-17 > Omicron Eta link seems like a pointless hop around Kurile (assuming it's replacing the existing Sigma-59 jumphole.) I don't see how it would generate real activity for the Sigmas, as ships would pass through for a split second.

The Beta > Eta link would need exclusion paths between the jump holes in Beta as well to make it easier for people to reach the other systems quickly using capitals, which I remember being the bulk of raids across Outcast/Corsair space.

[Govedo13]

Great idea to fix Omicrons.
I would rather go as close as possible to the 4.85 layout adding the needed 2-3 new additional systems like the order home system, cayman and lets say zeta.
Remove all of the unneeded buffers bring back gamma theta eta alpha route.

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[P1vas]

I'd like to see it .85-ish, too.
Without O-81 between Alpha and Tau-37.
And with the old good Alpha-(Eta)-Theta-Gamma.

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[RedEclipse]

Delta's background is actually appropriate; if you picture the Omicron nebula as one giant, snaking cloud - much like the Barrier Nebula - it actually has a giant, hollow core. Delta is right in the centre of that hollow space.

Personally, I'd rather not wipe Delta because of its history and legacy of RP in the system. (The Admins may also be angry at the Temple of the Damned being moved.) Zeta, on the other hand, is newer, so has less impact from being removed... and it feels like a much more bland system to fly through.

Addendum: Actually, Treewyrm was looking at incorporating Zeta's features into another system - possibly Minor. Best of both worlds that way.

As for me, Zeta is Omicron pearl. The most beautiful system, which giving a feel "on the edge". Yeah, its a bit empty(but giving an advantage to build a POB here) and newer version looks to be worse than in previous version of mod. But it had alot of activity in the past, thus I think this system worth to be in mod, or use it's features at least in some reincarnation. I see it as good opportunity to use Zeta style(background, source of light, that awesome sun with asteroid belt) as basics for new Delta.

[Divine]

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This map, as it is, if one is to ask me for my opinion, gets a straight out no voting from my end, as if my vote would matter anyways, which it clearly doesn't.

Can't say anything to the Delta-corner of the Omicrons, that's not my playground, and I'm not telling the people involved there how things should look like, yet I can say something about the Alpha-corner of the map.

Change Omicron-81 for Omicron-80 (with that still having the link to Lorraine) to have Omicron-80 get the position currently Omicron-81 takes hold of, move Omicron 81 down positioned above Tohoku.
As for the links systems should have,...

Omicron-80 links to: Alpha, Omicron-81, Lorraine, T37
Omicron-81 links to: Omicron-80, Alpha, Eta
Alpha links to: Beta, Omicron-85, Omicron-80, Omicron-81
Beta links to: Alpha, Sigma19, Eta
Eta links to: Beta, Sigma17, Omicron-92
Omicron-92 links to: Omicron-85, Tohoku, Omicron-99, Eta
Omicron-85 links to: Alpha, Omicron-92

Omicron-82 and Omicron-90 get killed off completely.
Some new Sigma-systems might be added in return for that.

Go speak to Durandal for more information, I might have a previous map showing some ideas still lying around somewhere too, even.
Alternatively, you could also hit me up on Skype, as if my opinion would matter.

//Edit: If Omicron-92 is going to get removed, then the link-spin goes,...
Omicron-85 links to: Alpha, Omicron-99
and link Tohoku to either Eta, Beta or some Nomad world you like most - I personally would prefer Beta, keeping in mind that Tohoku already should be linked to Omicron-81 (JH within the perimeter of Galicia Research)

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[Echo 7-7]

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Go speak to Durandal for more information, I might have a previous map showing some ideas still lying around somewhere too, even.
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I've already seen Durandal's system proposal - in fact, he and I discussed it at length. Some of the ideas he suggested formed the basis for this proposal, but it is not identical, and nor is it meant to be, since Treewyrm has requested that I do not modify the Nomad Omicrons - which includes O-90 and O-92 and any prospective links to those systems.

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Change Omicron-81 for Omicron-80 (with that still having the link to Lorraine) to have Omicron-80 get the position currently Omicron-81 takes hold of, move Omicron 81 down positioned above Tohoku.
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This may be a faster and easier solution than merging the systems, so it is probably what's likely to happen.

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[Echo 7-7]

Version 4 uploaded. Some changes around O-80 and O-81 based on earlier feedback.

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