(08-27-2014, 09:49 AM)Pvt.Pirate Wrote: well, another thought is that only the richest regions could afford such a ship.
i don't want to go intopolitical discussions, but to be honest: all our whealth in the rich countries comes from tricking other countries into selling their minerals or oil and all other products way too cheap to us.
as things go on, this might lead to those regions not being able to afford a sleeper ship.
I know, but I believe some foreigners should be taken as well, because of bigger pool of genes to prevent complications on the new land. And they would blend, but, again Mollies here, at some point those would surely recognise their tree, where they share unfamiliar ancenstry from colonisation times and what if they found out there's like 500 000? 1 000 000 people with same ancestry line?
Look its quiet simple, Liberty consists of America, South Africa & Central Europe ( With the exception of Germany ) Rheinland consists Germany and some parts of the balkans. Kusari - Japan, Taiwaan, Hong Kong, China, South Korea
Coalition - Russia, Armenia, North Korea, Chinese Communist movement parties and Mongollia
Gallia > France, Italy, Greece, North Africa.
Hispania.. that's self evident.
That's how I view the sleeperships. Sorry, no middle east here.
Edit : I forgot Georgia ( though I think georgia was never a communist country and even till this day it struggles to keep himself or itself as a democracy ) - naturaly, there are other places which I didnt mention but I think I don't have to list them all, you can picture them yourself
(08-27-2014, 10:20 AM)Zen_Mechanics Wrote: Look its quiet simple, Liberty consists of America, South Africa & Central Europe ( With the exception of Germany ) Rheinland consists Germany and some parts of the balkans. Kusari - Japan, Taiwaan, Hong Kong, China, South Korea
Coalition - Russia, Armenia, North Korea, Chinese Communist movement parties and Mongollia
Gallia > France, Italy, Greece, North Africa.
Hispania.. that's self evident.
That's how I view the sleeperships. Sorry, no middle east here.
There must be Middle-East. Sol Coalition consisted of Soviet Union, China and somekind of Middle-East Federation.
Note: If I'm not wrong, there wasn't any colony ship for Coalition. They hail from Hispania, so this is why it got crippled.
The funniest thing are Outcasts, because they derive their national name (Maltese) from the real life Knight Order, which lives in its own borders even today.
That seems impractical, Tel. They moved Europeans and South Africans to the Americas to board a sleeper ship? And why South Africa? Cuz' of white people?
Hispania isn't really self-evident either - was it Latin America or was it Spain? If Latin America, why Malta??? Or did they share a ship? And if so, why would they do that, on what basis? There's a big geographical gap when you consider the amount of people that would have needed to be moved. But then again, if you can fit 50,000 marines inside a tiny space station, I'm sure there'll be room for hundreds of thousands of people onboard an airplane
Also you forgot India with its 1 billion population.
(08-27-2014, 10:27 AM)Mímir Wrote: That seems impractical, Tel. They moved Europeans and South Africans to the Americas to board a sleeper ship? And why South Africa? Cuz' of white people?
Hispania isn't really self-evident either - was it Latin America or was it Spain? If Latin America, why Malta??? Or did they share a ship? And if so, why would they do that, on what basis? There's a big geographical gap when you consider the amount of people that would have needed to be moved.
Also you forgot India with its 1 billion population.
I think India would fall under Coalition here. Why? Well, China and Soviet Union, and their influence. There's also another possibility: Hispania could be Southern and Western Europe (minus UK, they got Bretonia), while Rheinland would be Central and South-Eastern Europe. This makes three sleeper ships founded by European Union, and two other ships were made by Japan and USA.
Also, naming of the few systems in Liberty (in Disco) shows that it could be United States of Northern America (Ontario, for example).
I see it the same way, that Hispania is Southern/Western Europe and that Latin America didn't get a sleeper ship because people there were too poor to buy computer games in 2003 anyways. They didn't even put them on the Liberty ship (because if so, why don't we see more things in Liberty with hispanic influences?), but were left to suffer the same fate as Africa, India etc. Racist game.
India has culturally always been the "other" super power in the region, next to China. Mount Meru / cosmological centre of the universe in Buddhism/Hinduism etc. India is very different from China, and a power to be reckoned with, and communism has never been pivotal in Indian culture. Instead of Gallia, they should have made an indian house, that would be hella awesome.
EDIT: Also I think this thread shows that one shouldn't take Freelancer Lore too serious, things will never really add up.
What I know for fact under the Discovery Lore as relevant in the mod the Coalition was made up of Russia, China, The Middle-Eastern states (Excluding Israel) and North Africa (Meaning Egypt, Libya, Morocco etc.).
We don't even know all the nations even MADE it off Earth when the war started a 2nd time (The war that led to being pushed to the Sleeper Ship Launch Sites) and some nations could've been completely wiped out. It's likely some of the smaller and less powerful nations like Cuba and such were wiped out.
Yeah, infact Im begining to feel sick just hearing about all these countries, I'm sure im not the only one here - but I think that this division between "us and them" simply doesn't belong in the 21sth. Even in fantasy, I think we should start to evolve and put these differences aside, I sometimes think that without dogmas and superstitions, that we would have considered ourselves as one. Freelancer in some sense divides us, because of these.. things - so I just don't tend to think about them
(08-27-2014, 10:55 AM)Zen_Mechanics Wrote: Yeah, infact Im begining to feel sick just hearing about all these countries, I'm sure im not the only one here - but I think that this division between "us and them" simply doesn't belong in the 21sth. Even in fantasy, I think we should start to evolve and put these differences aside, I sometimes think that without dogmas and superstitions, that we would have considered ourselves as one. Freelancer in some sense divides us, because of these.. things - so I just don't tend to think about them
I agree. This whole endeavour is a waste of time; we're transplanting 21st century thinking on a fictional galaxy hundreds of years into the future.