Server rules 0.0; 3.3; 1.3 and an ID Re-Rewrite suggestion

[Sylvie557]

If anything I brought up that last bit to reinforce the point that Piracy really can't stand to be discouraged and that the opposite(traders) can get away with a lot more ooRP BS without any sort of pressure put on them so I feel like pirates need some more room to breath without having to worry about any misstep resulting in an immediate sanction like there is now, was not meant to be the main point of my post and was mostly just and random tangent that kinda helped support my main point. Probably should have not included it but I tend to ramble when talking about stuff like this.

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[The Savage]

I'm pirate and I see that point of view. As I said before, whole incident was lack of communication of knowledge - now turned into drama by actual problem how to deal with "what is demand and what is not". Given I did not know anything about roleplay demands, I filled the sanction because I found whole encounter ridiculous not knowing who the hell are "these indie guys".

Until the sanction notice, I had no idea who the hell were these players. Oh wait, until someone posted as Dawson Base, making me even more confused as players did not wear any faction tag.

Edit: As for the roleplay and "silly Toris whine about Junker pirated by Rogue", guess what, Rogues don't usually pirate Junkers for my understandment of the lore. And I wanted to roleplay that out, using the knowledge Hide (and I, to be honest) had at the moment.

[Binski]

Can you just get banned already? This entire situation is stupid from both sides.

Ladies and Gentlemen, a top quality comment from a top quality member. Bravo.

Blowing off guns is a stupid demand. What do you gain from it other than leaving the other player weaponless, forcing them to buy new guns? You're a pirate. Make money.

Go and educate yourself here about what the Dawson Dawgs (sorry Spaz, I had to ) are and what they do.

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@Unforgiven
I won't even comment on your concept of "if I get hurt, so should you, no matter what makes sense and what doesn't", I'm just curious about one thing.

I now seriously believe you are far too concerned with the wrong aspects of the game

Do you really consider Roleplay as one of the wrong aspects of the game?

I'm more than aware of your roleplay, now anyways, not before this encounter. Even if you had established a particular thirst for turrets in space before hand, it would have been the same for me. Fluffy wants to be ok as long as you informed him what the intent was...that's up to him.

But this is more hiding behind the RP shield, shooting turrets off is like demanding pvp as an rp demand and only one side gets to shoot. You all claim RP, but really its just other players not having the option but to endure your boredom. For me, if they had said '10 mil, or you can let us take your turrets instead' i may have thought about it, but at least I would have known they would have played by the rules first, and let the RP take over if the other party wants to play into that RP. If they don't however, you don't get to kill them for it. Plain and simple, you want heavy RP? That's when its time to get creative. I may have taken the 10 mil option instead of giving up my turrets, and if they had wanted to RP that they thought i was a coward, that would be fine by me. Instead they were bored and it seemed more like they wanted to shoot stuff at all costs...and yet the claim is this is RP oriented and not allowing it kills RP demands? You spoiled brats just want to have your cake and eat it too sometimes. RP demands are safe and sound where they always were, if they involve RP, and not shooting an unprotected hull with no guarantees. Your claims that this is 'roleplay' are weak and biased. They crossed the line, its been crossing the line but people have been getting away with it. Now its time to move on and get over it. If the game is too boring for you due to this (sheds a tear) then find some other aspect to juice up to make it more exciting.

Bottom line, I remind people to go read the OP on the sanction itself and re-read the part where the admin says RP demands are ok but not if it involves shooting their stuff off. If the offenders are so concerned about RP, they can consider others. I lost a lot of RP cargo I had accumulated for months. What about my RP? They weren't taking any cargo, and my options was to lower my shield and let these unknown lolwuts waste me with ease, or exercise my right to defend myself no matter what, even if the demands are no valid. So all you guys concerned about RP are only really worried about your own. Age old problem. I had no guarantees at the time and there are none that can be made inrp that can be enforced later.

I'll also state that as a pirate I never pirated people for their turrets even at the height of my boredom. I prefer the check mate, if you have them you have them, kills are not always needed, if you make them pay, that's a victory. I"m not 2 mil or die guy and everyone knows that, so I'd like to make it clear that you can certainly properly RP a cargo/credit demand. Saying this is not good enough anymore is deciding you want to change the rules on your own.

Last time I'll repeat this, but if you RP is so solid around your thirst for turrets, RP around it, don't do it. Use the RP to SRP a Terrorist ID. If you get it, you can probably use that for this type of RP demand (or die) situation. So even i'm not saying it can't be done on this server, but that's something that should not come to anyone for a cheap regular faction ID operating in its ZOI. A post on your faction page doesn't justify doing whatever you want.

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[Swallow]

I find this thread full of off-topic posts.
Was anything decided regarding the OP?

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[The Savage]

Go and educate yourself here about what the Dawson Dawgs (sorry Spaz, I had to ) are and what they do.

Well, one of the problems is that without faction tag they appeared to be nothing more but indies. But, that's remark of mine.

[Thyrzul]

Awesome, at first I was a pirate (when I explicitly stated I'm speaking as a trader), now I am no less than a member of the Dawson Wing. I wonder if Spazzy knows...

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[sindroms]

One of us.
One of us.
One of us.

Don't shoot the turrets, you will kill the pilot. Anyway, I really do not know what else they need me to present to them in terms of counter-evidence at this point. If so far anything I posted was ignored more or less, like with the ''we see a screenshot of the transport with their shields down, thus they must have complied'' when the video I uploaded shows something else.





Back to the original topic though, the server rules even without a specific line regarding demand count protects people against unreasonable and malicious demands. It has no reason to be there.

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[Thyrzul]

If the offenders are so concerned about RP, they can consider others. I lost a lot of RP cargo I had accumulated for months. What about my RP? They weren't taking any cargo, and my options was to lower my shield and let these unknown lolwuts waste me with ease, or exercise my right to defend myself no matter what, even if the demands are no valid. So all you guys concerned about RP are only really worried about your own. Age old problem. I had no guarantees at the time and there are none that can be made inrp that can be enforced later.

Alright, I was bored enough to read further, perhaps worth it, perhaps not, whatever...

Even after making things clear in other threads you still call them lolwuts, saying they were bored, etc. I mean it's pretty logical to think of them as such right on the spot as you received no response, but unlike Toris your opinion is still unchanged after receiving a full view on the whole picture. If that's not the definition of ignorance, I don't know what is.

Secondly, whether the demands were valid or not (there is still no consensus about it in this thread, so let just get past that for a second), you still did not comply, what else did you expect than getting shot at by pirates for not complying? And even if they ask for cargo instead of turrets, how would that have changed the outcome for you? You would still have lost all your stuff one way or an other in the end, wouldn't you? (EDIT: You actually had more chance to keep your stuff than if they'd have asked for cargo, because if you comply, they just take off the turrets you could rebuy anywhere and you'd still have your cargo even today.)

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[Kauket]

I legitimately don't see the point of this sanction, and sounds like more of a case of someone being butthurt.

Nor can I really be arsed to sound reasonable as it astonishes me how low people can go over minor things. I also like being direct about issues, so get over it if you feel 'oh so unhappy' with what I'm about to sprout.

Let's clarify some game-play mechanics.

A) Your ship does NOT GET HURT if someone shoots at the equipment

B) Unless you have a cloaking device, docking module, or some other expensive EXTERNAL equipment, (codeguns, etc) - then most of your stuff is only like $50,000~ worth of credits.

C) Even if you lost something expensive, you SUICIDE AND YOU WILL RESPAWN WITH YOUR LAST DOCKED EQUIPMENT - even if it may cost your cargo, in most cases, will be a lot cheaper to lose than to lose the said device.

D) Cargo can always be retrieved. (Unless it was a Nomadic Powercell or some kind of special event item, but that would also be your fault for getting caught in the first place.)

Again.

This is just a case of someone being butthurt over creativity. So what? Maybe they want to precisely cut off equipment with a laser to help their people thrive, from a story perspective. Besides, are you really going to cry over something that could be ~200,000 in loss, especially if in a transport - COMPARED to losing MILLIONS from losing cargo from cargo piracy, or your money being taken. From a gameplay perspective, the pirate is losing more than you - the, 'trader/victim' - are. You moved? Too bad, shouldn't have tried to play smartass with the one with the gun.

Christ in a can up a rat's canopies ski resort.

It's really like people don't know when have clear judgement, as I said, this is more of a case of the 'sandwich rule' not being put to practice.

No, I'm not angry, I'm just tired of people being so incompetent to think objectively. Since I have nothing more to say, have a good night.

[Garrett Jax]

Not much can be done at this point guys. The best one could hope for is that the Admins review the sanction, which they did. Sometimes, they have to make a decision that is not going to be popular for what they feel is the best interests of the server. You might not agree that it is, but that's irrelevant.

Rule changes are unlikely to be considered if the Admins don't approve of this type of RP in the first place. The best advice I can give at this point is what I've already suggested in another thread: If you have some unique RP, it never hurts to run it by the Admins ahead of time to get their input, particularly, if it involves aggressive type of interactions.

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