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[Backo]

Hmm, here's a rule question:
Can you actually, as a house, hire the Bounty Hunters Guild to apprehend smugglers outside of your House ZOI? I mean it would make much bigger sense that Liberty and such pays the Guild to keep shit in some semblance of order outside of their border.

Don't forget that Corsairs and Outcasts still have ZOI in 80-90% of all systems (For outcasts, all of the omicrons, sigmas, taus, Liberty, Kusari, Bretonia, most independent worlds, parts of gallia, etc) unrestricted, with no limitations to what they can do to other players and POBs beyond the generic rules, and can take caps to all of these systems too.

But I can only enforce the law in 8 systems as Liberty.

:^)

Just don't enforce laws. Shoot red on HUD enemy instead. Make everyone your enemy and you don't need to worry about laws.

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[Saronsen]

Hmm, here's a rule question:
Can you actually, as a house, hire the Bounty Hunters Guild to apprehend smugglers outside of your House ZOI? I mean it would make much bigger sense that Liberty and such pays the Guild to keep ***** in some semblance of order outside of their border.

Actually the first good suggestion about it I've heard

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[Czechmate]

@Lythrilux
Seems clear admins are trying to simplify things and make it clear where one law starts and other ends

Crayter
- Tau police
CORONADO IS NOT WHERE CRAYTER CAN ENFORCE LAWS NOW - THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO CRAYTER ID

Core
- Omicron Police

GMG
- Sigmas Police

Nobody
- Omegas Police, because nobody plays them anyways
=> I think yes, Core could be given Omicrons and Omegas since there's nobody else can play cop and Core has a strong presence.

Hmmm not really honestly. None of those groups can enforce laws on the magnitude of a House. They can't enforce the same type of consequences or big FR5 (multiple faction's bases vs a single faction's bases if you get FR5'd). Independent Lawfuls essentially enforce 'faux-laws' which truly are roleplay constructs that can be ignored by players and breaking them rewards lightweight consequences that don't ruin gameplay. At the very least none of this is consistent with the wider implications and considerations of what this change was supposed to achieve.

Some people say this change was done to give BHG more utility but I don't really see what kind of advantages they'll have over groups that can still collect bounties (not even mandatory) and do so in more ship classes.

They are meant to be weak as those systems are still wild west this is fine.

If I were you I request Core to be Omegas+Omicrons right quick, forget about Sigmas - let GMG be the (weak) cop there.

[Spectre]

Can we not tie smaller lawfuls into updates that were clearly targeted at Houses? I already brought up the point about CR not having Coronado access for law enforcement, and Lemon brought it up here, while CR can also enforce laws in a fully Gallic system. GMG can now enforce laws within systems they don't own, and Rheinland just has to sit back and watch. Core isn't much of a loss here, though I don't know how much they valued their Omega enforcement, so might be more than I'm aware of.

Honestly, this whole thing just follows the bitter trend of 'cool on paper, not in practice'.

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[Czechmate]

Can we not tie smaller lawfuls into updates that were clearly targeted at Houses? I already brought up the point about CR not having Coronado access for law enforcement, and Lemon brought it up here, while CR can also enforce laws in a fully Gallic system. GMG can now enforce laws within systems they don't own, and Rheinland just has to sit back and watch. Core isn't much of a loss here, though I don't know how much they valued their Omega enforcement, so might be more than I'm aware of.

Honestly, this whole thing just follows the bitter trend of 'cool on paper, not in practice'.

Crayter is one of the biggest winners here after Coronado gets re-added, now just the Gov needs to follow the ID lines and be more aggressive about claiming to be The Law in The Taus. Crayter laws were a mess nobody used because of the confusing and limited spaces where you could enforce them.

[Thunderer]

Can House law enforcement treat foreign intels as enemies in its border space?

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[Lythrilux]

@Lythrilux
Seems clear admins are trying to simplify things and make it clear where one law starts and other ends

Crayter
- Tau police
CORONADO IS NOT WHERE CRAYTER CAN ENFORCE LAWS NOW - THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO CRAYTER ID

Core
- Omicron Police

GMG
- Sigmas Police

Nobody
- Omegas Police, because nobody plays them anyways
=> I think yes, Core could be given Omicrons and Omegas since there's nobody else can play cop and Core has a strong presence.

Hmmm not really honestly. None of those groups can enforce laws on the magnitude of a House. They can't enforce the same type of consequences or big FR5 (multiple faction's bases vs a single faction's bases if you get FR5'd). Independent Lawfuls essentially enforce 'faux-laws' which truly are roleplay constructs that can be ignored by players and breaking them rewards lightweight consequences that don't ruin gameplay. At the very least none of this is consistent with the wider implications and considerations of what this change was supposed to achieve.

Some people say this change was done to give BHG more utility but I don't really see what kind of advantages they'll have over groups that can still collect bounties (not even mandatory) and do so in more ship classes.

They are meant to be weak as those systems are still wild west this is fine.

If I were you I request Core to be Omegas+Omicrons right quick, forget about Sigmas - let GMG be the (weak) cop there.

I don't disagree with you (unless you meant the BHG being weak and not laws?). I think the weakness of these laws is a good template for what law enforcement, in general, should be. They're still good as RP constructs and for extending and creating dynamic roleplay, but the consequences are weak and don't trample the gameplay (or roleplay) of others.

The Sigmas don't really matter much as far as Core is concerned but as Sigma-15 borders Rho that one at least would be worth having law 'enforcement' in (especially if Rheinland can no longer do it themselves).

Core isn't much of a loss here, though I don't know how much they valued their Omega enforcement, so might be more than I'm aware of

Two (used to be three, #freeMars) bases, ZoI, and a decade of history puts this as a big loss. Also The Core logo literally used to be the Omega symbol lol.

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[Spectre]

Can we not tie smaller lawfuls into updates that were clearly targeted at Houses? I already brought up the point about CR not having Coronado access for law enforcement, and Lemon brought it up here, while CR can also enforce laws in a fully Gallic system. GMG can now enforce laws within systems they don't own, and Rheinland just has to sit back and watch. Core isn't much of a loss here, though I don't know how much they valued their Omega enforcement, so might be more than I'm aware of.

Honestly, this whole thing just follows the bitter trend of 'cool on paper, not in practice'.

Crayter is one of the biggest winners here after Coronado gets re-added, now just the Gov needs to follow the ID lines and be more aggressive about claiming to be The Law in The Taus. Crayter laws were a mess nobody used because of the confusing and limited spaces where you could enforce them.

How was it limited? Before the change, you could enforce CR laws within Languedoc, Kyushu, or Dublin if you wanted. Taus+1 was a very liberal area to enforce within. It's actually smaller now, since Cortez, Languedoc, Lorraine, Kyushu, Omicron Alpha, Dublin, Leeds, and Inverness are no longer able to be enforced within. Half of these are fine, but Cortez, Inverness, and especially Omicron Alpha are heavy losses compared to the rest. There's nothing stopping us from raiding Omicron Alpha, no, but we can't do jack if a cardamine smuggler launches from Malta and sits there in all its neutrality.

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#BringBackTheCommonwealth

=CR=-----IN|G
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A plurality is not a majority, and a majority is not everybody.

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V-3X | CV-Montu | Fort Murray
Unum pro Omnibus, Omnes pro Uno

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[Czechmate]

Can we not tie smaller lawfuls into updates that were clearly targeted at Houses? I already brought up the point about CR not having Coronado access for law enforcement, and Lemon brought it up here, while CR can also enforce laws in a fully Gallic system. GMG can now enforce laws within systems they don't own, and Rheinland just has to sit back and watch. Core isn't much of a loss here, though I don't know how much they valued their Omega enforcement, so might be more than I'm aware of.

Honestly, this whole thing just follows the bitter trend of 'cool on paper, not in practice'.

Crayter is one of the biggest winners here after Coronado gets re-added, now just the Gov needs to follow the ID lines and be more aggressive about claiming to be The Law in The Taus. Crayter laws were a mess nobody used because of the confusing and limited spaces where you could enforce them.

How was it limited? Before the change, you could enforce CR laws within Languedoc, Kyushu, or Dublin if you wanted. Taus+1 was a very liberal area to enforce within. It's actually smaller now, since Cortez, Languedoc, Lorraine, Kyushu, Omicron Alpha, Dublin, Leeds, and Inverness are no longer able to be enforced within. Half of these are fine, but Cortez, Inverness, and especially Omicron Alpha are heavy losses compared to the rest. There's nothing stopping us from raiding Omicron Alpha, no, but we can't do jack if a cardamine smuggler launches from Malta and sits there in all its neutrality.

No you could not


ID did NOT override laws when you were enforcing laws - you can apply laws, but laws themselves limited you to where (but many people got confused by that - hence the change done by admins)
Crayter laws have to be adjusted now, Section 4 outright deleted imo

or at least this line should be gone to keep licencing for caps

As such, these laws are applicable in the following space

[Karst]

Thank you for this. I've been campaigning for years for the out-of-control houses to be reined in, this is a blessing.

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