Talk:Altoran Empire

Incubi were engineered by the Nomads in the last part of the 8th century AS to possess humans, it's unlikely that they made use of them earlier to "hijack" a similar but different civilization. And I can see it's in many ways an import from Stargate anyway. Still, you're raising a good point. Try and talk with the other guys in the Nomad factions, an exploration of Wild mini-societies in Drake, Altair and Tekagi's Arch and the mentality of infectees, what they think of themselves and what they do, would work far better to give us an insight into what a Nomad-infected human civilization look like. I mean, we have it under our noses anyway. --Altzek (talk) 12:58, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

My thought was that nomads could have engineered their incubi already much earlier. We are talking about an ancient and highly advanced alien race after all. And because nomads were also present in Sol, it is not that far off that other civilizations could have met them too. While the altoran incubus is adapted to a different physiology, i could imagine possible incompatibilities with the human physiology. It would also have its strengths and weaknesses. We currently lack of a proper "nomad state". And infecting a Sirian house is something nobody want to do, me including. Hence i created a new one with different naming scheme that is not reminding at something from earth. It isn't my intention to import Stargate or any other series. In general i just like the look of some actors and found Nirrti fitting most as a char of an hostile foreign civilization like this one. Considering the war-plagued history i have in mind and how versatile the mentality of some nomads can be, it makes the most sense for me to have a government consisting of several infected lords spread across the systems, where they reign over their population in their own personal way. Also because that sort of thing doesn't exist in disco so far. I especially like the idea of a new threat to Sirius that is forcing all humans to lay down their internal conflicts and cooperate against the aliens. If this idea is finding support, i look forward to invest more time. Everyone is welcome in the development. --SkyNet (talk) 10:07, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Nobody talked about infecting an entire House, that's unfeasible before even being unappealing, I'm talking about exploring what's going on on Wild bases like Tekagi's Arch, Valhalla Shipyard or Bottrop Depot. What do the infectees do in their spare time? Do they love, hate, make children, crap, piss and fart like everyone else or do they stand there the whole time until they're sent to the ships to pretend they're officers of regular human navies? What do they think of themselves? What do they think of humanity? What do they think of their spot in the universe? Etc etc. In other words, how do their societies work, if they have one, and what do they believe in? And the threat you're talking about, the one that's supposed to make all humans forget their differences to cooperate against the aliens, is called "the Nomads", and so far the idea of putting aside their differences to fight them hasn't catched on yet. It can't, if they would they would lay waste to Dur-Shurrikun and every other Nomad base and there would be no Nomads. Goa'uld expies (and come on, they are so. They're called "System Lords", they're probably the only infectees ruling over a normal population, as dictators of sort if I had to guess, they're worshipped as deities and by the way we're probably overflowing with Nomad-worshipping groups, etc), an entire civilization of infectees, are just redundant for this narrative task. --Altzek (talk) 22:45, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

This actually looks pretty cool. However, it immediately gave me Samarran Raiders vibes. A completely outside-context civilization nobody knew existed coming in to start shooting stuff resembles Gallia, so this alien invasion being the latest big scary threat would just replace them as the big scary threat out of nowhere to conquer Sirius, but this one is openly genocidal from the outset. Speaking of genocidal mentalities, aren't the Noms still engaged in their campaign of exterminating everything that isn't them? A society subverted by Noms would probably dismantle all its defenses at the urging of its infected leaders because its "Benefactors from the Stars" would safeguard it better than their own technology ever could, whereupon orbital bombardment would ensue and so would end a civilization that would dare lay claim to even a single mote of dust that is part of the birthright of the Peaceful Beloved. --Paladin (talk) 02:59, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

@Altzek Ofc and while you dig through the wiki you will also notice:

- Daam K'Vosh = Ancients (also known as gate builders - how fitting)

- Das Wilde = Goa'uld

- Nomad Power Cell = Zero Point Module

- The Commune/The Oracles = Ori

- Gammu AI = Replicators

- Nomad City = Atlantis

- Valhalla One = 'mericans finding fancy alien things and bring them to "Cheyenne"... mountain? C'mon. If all this isn't a gigantic Stargate import. And don't forget the numerous Jack O'Neills inside LN. The list could be continued. Seriously, Freelancer is full of this stuff. And with some fantasy you find even more similarities in other series and movies. I could't find a single humanoid race here that isn't from earth however.

@Paladin I don't think the nomads are "racists" if that's what you mean. In fact i could even imagine Altor consists of several "assimilated" civilizations. Nomads are just the bad guys of the universe, hunting and killing for their own pleasure. The fact that nomads attacked earth or tried to destroy the Sirius collonies in a huge war, is leading to this assumption. Or maybe they just hate overpopulation and our methods in exploiting natural resources. Maybe they were much longer amongst us than we initially thought, just in a different form, and were even responsible for the War of Sol breaking out. Because the existence of wild agents or nomads themselves wasn't known to anyone at this point. Known is however that they try to exterminate humanity because of humans still plundering Daam K'Vosh ruins like Valhalla One and try to adapt their technology. And nomads clearly make use of human authorities to subvert the human population. So it can't be different in other parts of the galaxy, where life can also evolve. The difference to Samarran Raiders would be that Altor already reached a state the Commune is trying to implement in whole Sirius. The war machinery would also look completely different. --SkyNet (talk) 21:58, 10 August 2019 (UTC)