Lock topic please. I give up,lolwuts win

[Trail]

So far only you have shown yourself as the rogue admiral.

What do you base that idea on?

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[jammi]

To be fair, neither has. Both sides can claim equal justification for their actions based on the Kusari legal codex.

This situation is almost unprecedentedly silly though. The worst part is the fact that the entire problem was resolved for a while by changing the IFF to KNF

Someone changed it back to Hogsha though. My personal feeling on the matter is that Kusari should be laying down the ultimatum of "change the IFF or lose the station".

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[West]

My personal feeling on the matter is that Kusari should be laying down the ultimatum of "change the IFF or lose the station".

We discussed this all in KNF HC.. after what I made post as MoD to hogosha asking them to change IFF back to KSP or KNF.. or move platforms away so they don't attack passing transports.

Post was invised in 30 minutes.. after what I was kicked from gov, because they weren't informed and didn't liked that KNF made all on it's own, and told us that KNF shouldn't touch that base unless they come to agreement on what to do with it. After that we still have same situation.

Also Yaoqizque already told that several times to different persons, that KNF tried to help with situation.. but constantly being blocked.

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[AshHill07]

My personal feeling on the matter is that Kusari should be laying down the ultimatum of "change the IFF or lose the station".

We discussed this all in KNF HC.. after what I made post as MoD to hogosha asking them to change IFF back to KSP or KNF.. or move platforms away so they don't attack passing transports.

Post was invised in 30 minutes.. after what I was kicked from gov, because they weren't informed and didn't liked that KNF made all on it's own, and told us that KNF shouldn't touch that base unless they come to agreement on what to do with it. After that we still have same situation.

Also Yaoqizque already told that several times to different persons, that KNF tried to help with situation.. but constantly being blocked.

Well that makes it blindingly obvious to me that the Government couldn't care less and doesn't consider the opinions of its own Naval Forces as important enough to follow up on.

Civil war anyone?

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[Markus_Janus]

I will back up West's words here.
KNF, through West, did offer an ultimatum to Itabashi that was invis'd within 30 minutes.
This was mostly because it was posted with the KusGov forum account on the effort of one guy.
But still if it was using the KNF account would it of been any different?

There have been efforts to change the situation with that base, negotiating with the GMG and changing the IFF.
Both of these have failed.
I actually thought the deal that was in the works for the GMG sounded quite reasonable.

Maybe it is time KNF performed a coup and just went about threatening the base anyway, not my call.

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[ryoken]

Err what? According to you i can't dock to the capitol planet because some minor faction has managed to build platforms, do i get it wrong?
Exactly this. Most traders fast dock, and then a few minutes later they are toasted trying to leave. I find that Utterly OORP for any base around a cap planet.

im not just a 'hogosha player' I am in every faction in Kusari (almost) and it was reported to me on several channels (not the hogosha one however) so I undocked a Kusari Battleship since it was clear I was not going to get any help from anyone else. otherwise I mightve just undocked a KSP bomber or KPT cruiser.

So there's not much common sense behind "kusari officials" doing nothing, it's just meta to please your will, ha?
And why do you claim that you have authority over other KSP/KNF ID'd player?
You have shot him!
Why shouldn't we insist on deletion of your ship? We've got precedent

Go ahead. if you or ryoken think you have grounds to report me go ahead. But as it stands I did not shoot him, I merely threatened to shoot him.

But what that player did and what I did are 2 different things. I had a lot of RP to back up a possible kill of a same IDed player (he was attacking a lawful base.) While that person in the link was merely going out of his way to kill other LNS for no apparent reason
But in this case Ryoken was the one to first break his ID.
I in no way broke my ID. I was defending traders against a hostile firing on them.
Edit: and Ryoken is well aware that the base is reported as lawful, he obviously knows the Kusari Legal codex and I would hope he knows that if the base did something naughty that he would report it to the relevant authorities so it can get sorted. instead he took the law into his own hands and let his ooRP hatred fuel his inRP actions (atleast that is what it looks like to me) and started shooting a lawful base.

Ill reiterate what hawk said.

Actually there is a Kusari prime minister. Have any of you that are complaining even tried to contact him INRP or were you just planning to keep whining about how's he's not responding to the communication you've never sent him?

Collect evidence, send it to him and do RP. There is an IMPARTIAL Kusari Prime minister.

Been done ,and done, and done. Nothing happens, but Hogosha jump on channel and flip out.

there is one very single question i wonder about:

"what is the purpose of the base HAVING weapons?"
META GAMING!!
there are MANY problems with kusari ( mainly kusari players mind, not kusari as it is set up - that time the devs do not take the responsibility for the crap )

but if the hogosha has a mutual understanding with kusari - hence does not need to fear the wrath of the KNF ( which is obviously the case ) - why does it need platforms anyway?

now - if it is argued that it has to have platforms - where is the HARM in adjusting the rep according NOT to attack players that are most unlikely to attack that base ... and also friendly with kusari? as far as i can tell - at least the first time it popped up - players have not asked to have the base removed or destroyed - but to have its friend/foe rep adjusted. - that is a reasonable request - and i ... as a player ... am at a loss why it has not been done. after all that time - i actually do suspect lower motives than justification in roleplay.

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Yup. If it is "friendly" or "lawful" why does it fire at other "friendly" and "lawful" ships? Hmmm!
in an ooc way:

"even if your roleplay is just and logical - it can be disruptive and outright harmful in terms of fairplay and gameplay. in that case one can be a bigger man and give in for the sake of gameplay"

a reminder: roleplay is also to utterly crush an enemy if you can - outnumber, cheat, exploit, lie, deceive - that is real roleplay. - but harmful in an enviroment of players who all wish to have a good time. roleplay does not trump gameplay. ( if it did - we would silently jump little helpless fighters with big weapons and get a pat on our back from the admins for admirable roleplay )

I wish more on server would understand "win at all cost" is not good RP, but excuse RP.

And people wonder why Kusari is forever alone?

*Shrugs*

Yup. Every update people ask why Kusari is so empty, and every update lolwuts do crap like this to chase away players. But yet they do not get it.

So far only you have shown yourself as the rogue admiral.

To be fair, neither has. Both sides can claim equal justification for their actions based on the Kusari legal codex.
Agreed
This situation is almost unprecedentedly silly though. The worst part is the fact that the entire problem was resolved for a while by changing the IFF to KNF
Then why does the admin team not jump in, and put it back to KNF?
Someone changed it back to Hogsha though. My personal feeling on the matter is that Kusari should be laying down the ultimatum of "change the IFF or lose the station".

KNF cannot, as the supposed "government" just shuts them down. So Official faction has no say in there own system, and we all know the entire KNF fleet cannot remove that base if they tried.

My personal feeling on the matter is that Kusari should be laying down the ultimatum of "change the IFF or lose the station".

We discussed this all in KNF HC.. after what I made post as MoD to hogosha asking them to change IFF back to KSP or KNF.. or move platforms away so they don't attack passing transports.

Post was invised in 30 minutes.. after what I was kicked from gov, because they weren't informed and didn't liked that KNF made all on it's own, and told us that KNF shouldn't touch that base unless they come to agreement on what to do with it. After that we still have same situation.

Also Yaoqizque already told that several times to different persons, that KNF tried to help with situation.. but constantly being blocked.

KNF no say at all in Kusari home system. Yet no one thinks that is OORP?

My personal feeling on the matter is that Kusari should be laying down the ultimatum of "change the IFF or lose the station".

We discussed this all in KNF HC.. after what I made post as MoD to hogosha asking them to change IFF back to KSP or KNF.. or move platforms away so they don't attack passing transports.

Post was invised in 30 minutes.. after what I was kicked from gov, because they weren't informed and didn't liked that KNF made all on it's own, and told us that KNF shouldn't touch that base unless they come to agreement on what to do with it. After that we still have same situation.

Also Yaoqizque already told that several times to different persons, that KNF tried to help with situation.. but constantly being blocked.

Well that makes it blindingly obvious to me that the Government couldn't care less and doesn't consider the opinions of its own Naval Forces as important enough to follow up on.

Civil war anyone?

I agree. In any other system this would not be the case. But this "government" that no one ever gets a response from has more say over the Official factions. Again no one thinks this is OORP?

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[Asbestos]

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There have been efforts to change the situation with that base, negotiating with the GMG and changing the IFF.
Both of these have failed.
I actually thought the deal that was in the works for the GMG sounded quite reasonable.

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Haha, it would almost sound like that the GMG are to be responsible for the current Itabashi situation. But no, no one would be that ignorant, am I right?

If the Kusari government are allowing their capital planet to be held hostage by gangsters, so be it. Kusari internal affairs can be solved by Kusari.

And for those wondering, the proposed deal that was offered to the GMG would have solved GMG|'s problems with Itabashi alright. But for no one else.
The deal was rejected. And we're paying for the consequences, just like every body else.

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[Trail]

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There have been efforts to change the situation with that base, negotiating with the GMG and changing the IFF.
Both of these have failed.
I actually thought the deal that was in the works for the GMG sounded quite reasonable.

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Haha, it would almost sound like that the GMG are to be responsible for the current Itabashi situation. But no, no one would be that ignorant, am I right?

If the Kusari government are allowing their capital planet to be held hostage by gangsters, so be it. Kusari internal affairs can be solved by Kusari.

And for those wondering, the proposed deal that was offered to the GMG would have solved GMG|'s problems with Itabashi alright. But for no one else.
The deal was rejected. And we're paying for the consequences, just like every body else.

Everyone else can get a bribe. Its only the GMG that have to worry about the base.

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[jammi]

The idea that you have to bribe or pay someone to stop them shooting you is extortion. Isn't that illegal in Kusari?

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[Trail]

The idea that you have to bribe or pay someone to stop them shooting you is extortion. Isn't that illegal in Kusari?

Depends if Bar bribes are considered inRP

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