User talk:MarvinCZ

Newcomer asking for advice

Hello!

I am quite new to this wiki and I would appreciate some advice. The price listed on ship pages should be the price of the hull only, or the ship and equipment usually sold with it? You edited the Cavalier price back to the "with equipment" price and I am not sure if that was your mistake, your intention or my mistake.

Also, one matter I addressed on the Fighters page - some vanilla ships are listed with their vanilla stats and some with Disco stats. I expect the Disco stats should be there, but I am not sure.

Another one comes to mind... The list of selling locations should be complete or some cut version thereof? I put a full list in Crusader, but maybe it is considered a spoiler.

Thanks in advance, MarvinCZ 13:05, 9 July 2008 (GMT)

Hi! Thanks for contacting me.

1) My personal preference would be to use the full price. When I came here as a new person and saw some of the prices (CSV - $162,000), I saved up to that amount and then went to buy it. Surprise! I didn't have enough money (182,000). I had hoped to help other new players avoid that particular frustration. However, Igiss has said to use the Readme information. If you feel it should be the full price, feel free to ask Igiss to change his mind. Also if you spot any mistakes that I have done concerning this, feel free to correct them. I know some people have been using screenshots, which has the full price on them, and other have been using the readme (which seems incomplete to me). As for my methods, I use Datastorm and FLStats. I have found that using those two, I can input a huge amount of data very quickly. I have been using the Datastorm price. I don't know what the readme says, but in the ones I have checked...all of them were a different price to the price in Datastorm (and in the full game). And as I said before. Igiss wants the readme price used.

(In short, please change the price if I have input the datastorm price on it.)

2) Vanilla stats should not be here. If you spot any mistakes please change them to Disco stats. I have been concentrating on getting the individual pages up. When the indiviual pages are all up I intend on going through the lists and fixing/updating as necessary.

3) The list of selling locations should be complete.

Thanks. Keep up the great work!

Chovynz 02:26, 11 July 2008 (GMT)

Thanks for the reply, it was very helpful.

But it seems I will have more trouble with the prices, because the vanilla ships don't have their stats in the readme. So yes, it really is incomplete. My way was looking directly into ini files for the price of the "hull", which is the same as the ship without equipment ingame (I checked on several ships). It seems the readme may also be out of date in cases. I looked at the Arrow and its readme price (1,744,000) is lower even than its hull price (1,814,000). In many cases the price in readme equals the hull price, so I will use that for the vanilla ships. I hope you won't mind.

I understand your concern about the full vs. hull prices. I will have a better look at it, but I really think the readme and hull prices are supposed to be equal. I personally think the hull price should be included, it seems more precise. MarvinCZ 18:24, 12 July 2008 (GMT)

I asked Igiss for us to use the full price and to get some better direction in this issue, and he replied as such: "Hey, Do as you like. But remember that I may change price of components without reflecting it in readme, while changing base price always gets reflected. Regards, Igiss". Now this explains it to me why the Readme is set at that lower level and it is a good point, but I think if some people (who are not the admins or mods) in the Disco community or the entire community itself, take the responsibility to make sure the data is updated on the wiki, I think it won't be a problem if we use the full price. As long as the wiki is updated at each release I think it will be ok.

For now I'll continue to add ships, but leave the price out until this issue is resolved. At the very minimum the hull price should be used.

One idea I had is to show both prices. I'm not sure about this idea as it might add another column to the ship lists, and will another field to the individual pages. Might be worth having both prices in the individual pages only. What do you think? I am all for more helpful info on the wiki.

Chovynz 04:17, 13 July 2008 (GMT)

I can look up the hull prices quite quickly, about half a minute each if I do multiple. I can go through the ship lists, checking the the hull prices against the readme and correcting data as I go. I went through the vanilla fighters where the Readme had no info, so I just added the hull prices. The hull price could clash with readme on the new ships though. I will write down those ships so we will know how many of those there is and how they deviate. I would ask for your approval, but I will rather do it right away, it can always be reverted.

I thought about including the full price aswell. It would be additional work, but useful information. I would do it, but keep it in the individual pages only. The ship lists are wide enough already and one price is enough there. Having both prices will also help editors decide which price to put where. MarvinCZ 14:42, 13 July 2008 (GMT)

Alright so its agreed? Both prices on the individual page. Hull prices on the main lists? I think you should do it according to the ini files hull price and update Igiss on the ships that needs updating on the readme. He may have missed stuff with all the work he's doing.

Chovynz 23:52, 13 July 2008 (GMT)

Question: Are the hull prices that you have put on the ship lists currently, from Vanilla FL ini files or from Disco ini files? I ask this because the Disco Rhino costs $43,000ish as opposed to Vanilla $9,170. The hull prices seem FAR too low for Disco stats. And if the hull prices in Disco ARE that low then I vote we use the higher full price on those lists. $1,600 for a rhino is misleading by any stretch of the imagination when the Disco Rhino costs 43k (other wise people would be able to buy it straight off the bat - which they cannot).