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Archived up to 1 October 2009

Ships new to Discovery

The list of ships that are new in Discovery certainly does not belong into the Ships category as descriptive text.

If you look at the pages Fighters, Freighters, etc., you'll notice that they are split into stock and Discovery lists. Each ship new to discovery that has a page will have the 'Discovery content' Category set. I think that this list should be merged into those ship types pages.

Nodwick 11:16, 19 May 2008 (GMT)

I certainly agree. That's why the list is temporary. It might help us to determine what pages are yet to be made for the ships. I do think that we need this list somewhere but don't know yet where to put it. It doesn't seem to fit any of the current locations. The problem with not having the list is that new players dont know what IS the new ships. The Discovery Content category will have all ships as all ships have been changed in some way (for example the Defender - the only thing that has changed is the selling location - effectively the same ship as in Vanilla FL. --Chovynz 11:19, 19 May 2008 (GMT)

I think that the turret on the Discovery Defender is class 2 instead of class 4, actually. But I'm not dure and I don't currently have the chance to check it.

If you think that it's important and you don't think that it's viable to check the 5 Ship categories pages (fighters, freighters, transports, bombers, capital ships) - which are split by discovery/original freelancer already - then we could make a page for that. Might be a bit overkill, though.

n00bl3t's Comment

This is a test comment. Tumble-Weed ^{(ComLink) (Holocron)} 22:47, 21 June 2009 (MDT)

Tales

Thanks for your help but I am leaving due to issues... -Tales

Nodwick 11:32, 19 May 2008 (GMT)

We were editing at the same time :)

Alright. Taking my hands off now. I did a teeeny-weeny spelling correction and and then it got out of hand (as usual). Sorry. I'm not gonna edit it anymore. Sorry once more. Looqas 09:55, 20 August 2008 (GMT)

Template Format

Saved for reference. Might be substituting. Depends on whether I can get the ship template working properly so that other people just put stuff in, instead of formulas. Use Edit

{ {Ship |SellName=Crusader |FullName= |Description=Known as the "crown royale" of the heavy fighter class, the Crusader is the cornerstone of the military and civilian authorities of Bretonia. Used largly to enforce the will of the crown, this ship is designed at it's core to deliver as significant a beating as it is able to withstand. Thus, the Crusader is an optimal choice for its survivability and also its offensive capabilities. |Class=Heavy Fighter |ClassLink=Fighters#Heavy_Fighters_2 |Guns=6 |Turrets=0 |Armor=2600 |Cargo=35 |Batts=20 |Bots=20 |OptWep=3 |MaxWep=5 |MaxShield= |Price= |Level= |Equip=Mines, Countermeasures, Cruise Disruptors / Torpedoes |PlaceSold=Battleship Norfolk, Cambridge System |WeaponSlot1= |WeaponSlot2= |WeaponSlot3= |WeaponSlot4= |WeaponSlot5= |WeaponSlot6= |WeaponSlot7= |WeaponSlot8= |WeaponSlot9=

|}}

Minor edits

Please only set the minor edit flag for your edits when they are indeed minor, for example if you just fixed a link, added a link without changing the text, fixed typos / spelling / grammar etc..

If you add or delete something, please do not set the minor edit flag, that's misleading.

Nodwick 11:54, 19 May 2008 (GMT)

Thanks. I wasn't sure. I presume you're talking about the "Is anyone getting lag?" bit in ooRP?

--Chovynz 11:58, 19 May 2008 (GMT)

I meant the list of discovery ships, where you marked the remove on the new ships page as minor (>1200 characters difference, though).

Nodwick 12:05, 19 May 2008 (GMT)

How do I change the titles of pages? For example:

• Class 4 weapons becomes
• Class 4 Weapons

Chovynz 13:55, 21 May 2008 (GMT)

You might have figured it out by now, but you use the move feature. There's a button on most pages, to the right of edit and history. -- Eyvind (talk • contrib) 03:08, 23 February 2009 (MST)

Pages going to be added

Weapons *[[Lavablade Mk I]] *[[Lavablade Mk II]] *[[Lavablade Mk III]] *[[Justice Mk I]] *[[Justice Mk II]] *[[Justice Mk III]] *[[BlueBell Turret]] *[[Magma Hammer Mk II]] *[[Wasp Cruise Disruptor]] ---- '''Ships''' *[[CSV]] *[[Arrow]] *[[Whale]] *[[Luxury Liner]] *[[Taiidan Bomber]] *[[Liberty_Assault_Battlecruiser|Liberty Assault Cruiser]] *[[Advanced Train]] *[[Arwing|Arwing Light Fighter]] *[[Barghest]] (Pirate Bomber) *[[Border Worlds Transport]] *[[Bounty Hunter Battlecruiser]] *[[Bounty Hunter Bomber]] *[[Royal_Liner|Bretonia Royal Liner]] *[[Bumblebee]] (Kusari Transport) *[[Challenger]] (Bretonia Bomber) *[[Civilian Bomber]] *[[Crusader]] *[[Corsair Cruiser]] *[[Corsair Dreadnought]] *[[Dragon Battleship]] *[[Dragon Bomber]] *[[Dragon Cruiser]] *[[Dragon Gunboat]] *[[Falcata]] (Outcast Bomber) *[[Firefly]] *[[Gas_Miners_Guild_Transport| Gas Miner's Guild Miner]] *[[Havoc_Mk_II|Havoc Mk II Bomber]] *[[Heavy Tanker]] *[[Independent Mining Guild Gunboat]] *[[Kusari Bomber]] *[[Kusari Transport]] *[[Lane Hacker Gunship]] *[[Loki]] (Hessian Light Fighter) *[[Mammoth]] (Liberty Transport) *[[Nomad Light Fighter]] *[[Nomad_Assassin|Nomad Very Heavy Fighter]] (limited access) *[[Nomad Bomber]] (limited access) *[[Odin]] (Hessian Heavy Fighter) *[[Orca_Gunboat|Orca]] (Bounty Hunter Gunboat) *[[Outcast Battleship]] *[[Percheron]] (Bretonia Transport) *[[Pirate Train]] *[[Pirate Transport]] *[[Praetorian]] (Corsair Bomber) *[[Rogue Gunboat]] *[[Scorpion Gunboat]] *[[Thor]] (Hessian Bomber) *[[Thor Mk II]] (admin ship) *[[Viper Mk II]] *[[Virage|Virage Very Heavy Fighter]] *[[Waran_Bomber|Waran]] (Border Worlds Bomber) *[[Zoner Destroyer]]

Yay! I'm really looking forward to this, will make the Wiki much more valuable in my eyes. Will you make the CSV page in the formatting like the Defender?

While you're at it, maybe you can rework the Crusader and Rogue Gunboat pages? Those are in a different format and dead-end pages.

Nodwick 07:13, 21 May 2008 (GMT)

Defender is the one to copy I take it? Chovynz 08:59, 21 May 2008 (GMT)

Well, you can also take Liberty Gunboat if you want. But I suggest using the one that's closest to the CSV in terms of statistics - the Defender is closer than the Gunboat, that's for sure. Nodwick 09:50, 21 May 2008 (GMT)

Things to keep as templates

Commodities

==Description==
==Selling Locations==

[[Category: Commodities]]

Ships

==Full Name==

==Description==

==Statistics==
*Ship Class: [[Fighters#Light_Fighters|Light Fighter]] [[Fighters#Heavy_Fighters|Heavy Fighter]] [[Fighters#Very_Heavy_Fighters|Very Heavy Fighter]] [[Fighters#Light_Fighters_2|Light Fighter]] [[Fighters#Heavy_Fighters_2|Heavy Fighter]] [[Fighters#Very_Heavy_Fighters_2|Very Heavy Fighter]][[Freighters|Freighter]] [[Transports|Transport]] [[Bombers|Bomber]]
*Ship Faction: 
*Guns: 
*Turrets: 
*Hull: 
*Cargo: 
*Maximum Shield Batteries/Nanobots: 
*Optimal Weapon Class: 
*Maximum Weapon Class: 
*Maximum Shield Class: 
*Maximum Impulse Speed: 
*Power Output: 
*Power Recharge Rate: 
*Hull Only Price: 
*Full Price: 
*Additional Equipment: [[Mines]], [[Countermeasures]], [[Torpedoes|Torpedo]]/[[Cruise Disruptors|Cruise Disruptor]] x2  None

==Handling==

==Weapons==
* [[Class Guns|Class Gun]]
* [[Class Turrets|Class Turret]]

==Places Sold==
* 

[[Category: Discovery content]]
[[Category: Ships]]

My Sig

*[[User:Chovynz|Chovynz]]'' ([[User talk: Chovynz|My Mind]])
([[Special:Contributions/Chovynz|My Ego]]) <sup>4:27pm, 13 July 2008 (GMT+12)</sup>

Guns pages:

{{Weapon main
| Full-Name = 

| Description = 

| Places-Sold = 
* New York

| See-also = 
* [[Class 4 Guns]]

}}

{{Weapon stats
| Weapon-Class = 
| Hull-Damage = 
| Shield-Damage = 
| Range = 
| Projectile-Speed = 
| Refire-Rate = 
| Energy-Usage = 
| Price = 
}}

[[Category: Weapons]]

Editing format

Does it really need to have:

• Planet Manhattan, New York System, Liberty

Or can it just have:

• Planet Manhattan

Seriously. Tumble-Weed ^{(ComLink) (Holocron)} 08:02, 2 June 2008 (GMT)

Cancel my last. Igiss responded, your way is better. Tumble-Weed ^{(ComLink) (Holocron)} 08:05, 2 June 2008 (GMT)

Ship Hull prices (AKA how we arrived at showing both hull ship prices, and package prices)

Hello!

I am quite new to this wiki and I would appreciate some advice. The price listed on ship pages should be the price of the hull only, or the ship and equipment usually sold with it? You edited the Cavalier price back to the "with equipment" price and I am not sure if that was your mistake, your intention or my mistake.

Also, one matter I addressed on the Fighters page - some vanilla ships are listed with their vanilla stats and some with Disco stats. I expect the Disco stats should be there, but I am not sure.

Another one comes to mind... The list of selling locations should be complete or some cut version thereof? I put a full list in Crusader, but maybe it is considered a spoiler. *Over-ruled by Igiss, System location only.

Thanks in advance, MarvinCZ 13:05, 9 July 2008 (GMT)

Hi! Thanks for contacting me.

1) My personal preference would be to use the full price. When I came here as a new person and saw some of the prices (CSV - $162,000), I saved up to that amount and then went to buy it. Surprise! I didn't have enough money (182,000). I had hoped to help other new players avoid that particular frustration. However, Igiss has said to use the Readme information. If you feel it should be the full price, feel free to ask Igiss to change his mind. Also if you spot any mistakes that I have done concerning this, feel free to correct them. I know some people have been using screenshots, which has the full price on them, and other have been using the readme (which seems incomplete to me). As for my methods, I use Datastorm and FLStats. I have found that using those two, I can input a huge amount of data very quickly. I have been using the Datastorm price. I don't know what the readme says, but in the ones I have checked...all of them were a different price to the price in Datastorm (and in the full game). And as I said before. Igiss wants the readme price used.

(In short, please change the price if I have input the datastorm price on it.)

2) Vanilla stats should not be here. If you spot any mistakes please change them to Disco stats. I have been concentrating on getting the individual pages up. When the individual pages are all up I intend on going through the lists and fixing/updating as necessary.

3) The list of selling locations should be complete. *Over-ruled by Igiss, System location only.

Thanks. Keep up the great work!

Chovynz 02:26, 11 July 2008 (GMT)

Thanks for the reply, it was very helpful.

But it seems I will have more trouble with the prices, because the vanilla ships don't have their stats in the readme. So yes, it really is incomplete. My way was looking directly into ini files for the price of the "hull", which is the same as the ship without equipment ingame (I checked on several ships). It seems the readme may also be out of date in cases. I looked at the Arrow and its readme price (1,744,000) is lower even than its hull price (1,814,000). In many cases the price in readme equals the hull price, so I will use that for the vanilla ships. I hope you won't mind.

I understand your concern about the full vs. hull prices. I will have a better look at it, but I really think the readme and hull prices are supposed to be equal. I personally think the hull price should be included, it seems more precise. MarvinCZ 18:24, 12 July 2008 (GMT)

I asked Igiss for us to use the full price and to get some better direction in this issue, and he replied as such: "Hey, Do as you like. But remember that I may change price of components without reflecting it in readme, while changing base price always gets reflected. Regards, Igiss". Now this explains it to me why the Readme is set at that lower level and it is a good point, but I think if some people (who are not the admins or mods) in the Disco community or the entire community itself, take the responsibility to make sure the data is updated on the wiki, I think it won't be a problem if we use the full price. As long as the wiki is updated at each release I think it will be ok.

For now I'll continue to add ships, but leave the price out until this issue is resolved. At the very minimum the hull price should be used.

One idea I had is to show both prices. I'm not sure about this idea as it might add another column to the ship lists, and will another field to the individual pages. Might be worth having both prices in the individual pages only. What do you think? I am all for more helpful info on the wiki.

Chovynz 04:11, 13 July 2008 (GMT)

I can look up the hull prices quite quickly, about half a minute each if I do multiple. I can go through the ship lists, checking the the hull prices against the readme and correcting data as I go. I went through the vanilla fighters where the Readme had no info, so I just added the hull prices. The hull price could clash with readme on the new ships though. I will write down those ships so we will know how many of those there is and how they deviate. I would ask for your approval, but I will rather do it right away, it can always be reverted.

I thought about including the full price aswell. It would be additional work, but useful information. I would do it, but keep it in the individual pages only. The ship lists are wide enough already and one price is enough there. Having both prices will also help editors decide which price to put where. MarvinCZ 14:42, 13 July 2008 (GMT)

Alright so its agreed? Both prices on the individual page. Hull prices on the main lists? I think you should do it according to the ini files hull price and update Igiss on the ships that needs updating on the readme.

Chovynz 23:51, 13 July 2008 (GMT)

So, it is done, as you already noticed. I stopped checking the readme after a while, though, with exceptions. I will do it separately. I already noticed a few clashes. Most notable are the Preagle (6M readme vs 3M real) and almost all the capital ships (where the differences seem systematic). I will go through it with the readme again and send my results to Igiss. What means do you use to contact him, E-mail? MarvinCZ 14:24, 15 July 2008 (GMT)

Format

I got your message and sure, I'll accept some advice about the tables. Hopefully I posted this correctly... Klaw117 20:15, 8 August 2008 (GMT)

Looks good. Once I get the time, I'll change them to the format you gave me. Klaw117 20:06, 9 August 2008 (GMT)

Pages to fix / add data to

*[[Transport Turret 1]] *[[Kusari Bomber‎]] *[[Falcata‎]] *[[Havoc Mk II‎]] *[[Waran Bomber‎]] *[[Bounty Hunter Battlecruiser‎]] *[[Albatross Battlecruiser‎]] *[[Liberty Cruiser‎]] *[[Independent Mining Guild Gunboat‎]] *[[Bounty Hunter Gunship‎]] *[[Liberty Gunboat‎]] *[[Marsflyer‎]] *[[Spatial‎]] *[[Blood Dragon‎]] *[[Manta‎]] *[[Nomad Assassin‎]] *[[Templar‎]] *[[Werewolf‎]] *[[Odin‎]] *[[Wrath‎]] *[[Nephthys‎]] *[[Somtaaw‎]] *[[Virage‎]] *[[Stinger‎]] *[[Viper Mk II‎]] *[[Viper‎]] *[[Raven's Talon‎]] *[[Raven Claw‎]] *[[Kadesh Heavy Fighter‎]] *[[Drone‎]] *[[Crow]] *[[Bretonia Battleship]] *[[Kusari Battleship]] *[[Rheinland Battleship]] *[[Battlestar]] *[[Battlestar Advanced]] *[[Bounty Hunter Battleship]] *[[Corsair Dreadnought]] *[[Dragon Battleship]] *[[Lane Hacker Spyglass]] *[[Liberty Carrier]] *[[Outcast Battleship]] *[[Outcast Dreadnought]] *[[Zoner Juggernaut]]

Nav template

hello! I see you changed your nav template... A minor thing: you have a larger space on the left of a bullet than on the right. You have an extra space between "]]" and " " (non-breaking space). I could remove it myself, but I refrained from meddling in your template. — MarvinCZ 19:07, 29 August 2008 (GMT)

Hello! I see you created a Template:Test. I already created a Template:Template sandbox for this purpose. It doesn't really matter.. What about creating a Templates section in the Basics area in Style Guide and linking the two as places to test templates? — MarvinCZ 13:45, 9 September 2008 (GMT)

I wrote to Forums also about this. Should the Planets have the same style of Commodities section as the bases? --Looqas 01:00, 30 September 2008 (MDT)

Player Factions Template

Well I didn't necessarily want a new template just something as all the player faction pages seem to be all over the place. I think the NPC faction template is a great starter but there are things I think would need to be added.

But is the NPC faction template the template we needed to use? If so I was unaware of that.

Newsun1

I would like to revisit the quick reference. I think that the Border Worlds, Edge Worlds, Nomad Worlds and Independent Systems need to be listed on the main page somewhere. Whether or not these regions replace the House listing doesn't matter at all to me.

Newsun1 17:08, 27 October 2008 (MDT)

n00bl3t's Comment

This is a test comment. Tumble-Weed ^{(ComLink) (Holocron)} 22:47, 21 June 2009 (MDT)

Tales

Thanks for your help but I am leaving due to issues... -Tales

Outdated template usage

You should use the Outdated template only for ships that are displaying stats as of version 4.84. Do not use it for ships that are up to date but that have a uncompleted page. "Skatepro0 13:22, 18 June 2009 (MDT)"

I think it should also be used for ships that have an outdated description. I have completed a new template that can be used for pages that are simply incomplete: Template:Incomplete -Tazuras 15:55, 18 June 2009 (MDT)

Please continue this conversation on Discovery_Wiki:General_Discussion#Outdated_Template_usage. Thanks :) Chovynz 16:02, 18 June 2009 (MDT)

Tazurus "Chovynz To Do list"

Are these things only you can do or that others can? I think this is the type of content that is needed on the Discovery Wiki:TODO page or the Outdated Template could be added to some of them. -Tazuras 17:39, 17 June 2009 (MDT)

Well, anyone can do them. This is my personal list of things I want to do. I have no problem with other people doing them, Nor do I have a problem with people taking things from this list, or making their own. As the title says, it's Chovynz's To Do's. If yo uwant to take from here and put it in the "to be edited later" be my guest. This is my thinking out loud area without impinging on others. Chovynz 19:45, 17 June 2009 (MDT)

RepEx

Thanks for formatting RepEx's page. It needed it. It makes me happy. -Mwerte

No prob. It makes me happy too :) ~Chovynz~ ^{(Blabs • Ego)} 03:20, 26 July 2009 (MDT)

Camera Ship

See Here --Tazuras 09:57, 27 July 2009 (MDT)

RE: Some little issues

Heya, thanks for the tips! I'm new to wiki editing and had no idea how to delete the page so just blanked it hoping it'd go away if it contained no data. I'll remember to use spoiler templates in the future; again I wasn't sure how to do that. --Bicko 05:57, 24 August 2009 (MDT)

Ships Editing

Hi, you said it's stupid not to ask, so i'm asking. Where do i get informations like: Power recharge, Ship price (just sell everything and multiply by 2 ?), Opt. weapon class. And finaly how about Reviews, i see part of them under Ship Infobox. May be make some Template for it? --Demoni 10:56, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Rheinland Military Page

For what it's worth, I agree with you that everything should be on the Rheinland Military page to avoid confusion. I thought I clicked something wrong at first when I was redirected. ~RogueCharlie