Despite the initial outrage about the pricing, this mining update earns some more substantial feedback. Visibly, effort has been put into it, so I'll go over the changes bit by bit.
(01-04-2016, 10:52 AM)LordVipex Wrote: [ -> ]- The amount of ore sources has been reduced to a maximum of two. Where applicable, ores only have one source and their source(s) shared with multiple factions.
Generally a good call. This should increase interaction in these areas. The time when every faction had "their own" fields worked in high-player times, but it does not any more.
Now I can already see roleplay that excludes factions from a system, so that their bonus is actually useless. I can see it e.g. happen in Omega 7 with Silver ore mined on IMG ID.
(01-04-2016, 10:52 AM)LordVipex Wrote: [ -> ]- The amount of lawful routes has been reduced massively. Every ore now has one main route at 100% credits per second efficiency and an alternative route at 75% credits per second efficiency.
Reduction of ore destination and therefore routes will help in streamlining traffic.
If this traffic is forced through choke points, this will work. (however quite a few selling points do not have choke points in them and are therefore at a big advantage)
There should however be:
2 x 100 % destinations. In House capitals. Behind 2 shoke points.
Make the ratio for the 2nd tier selling point 85 - 90 % of the best price (and thus more a psychological than a real factor) to keep it in any way viable.
With 75 %, you can also just delete it as an option and just give one selling point.
(01-04-2016, 10:52 AM)LordVipex Wrote: [ -> ]- In almost every greater region that the ore passes through, unlawful bases buy the ores that pass through at 85% credits per second efficiency. Every unlawful character should be able to dock on at least one unlawful base that buys ores. If I overlooked something in that regard, give me a notice.
Interesting call. It will increase cargo piracy and massively ups the risk for ore traders.
This only works if the incentive to carry ore and take the risk of losing it is high.
We need high prices for that because losing your cargo to a pirate close to selling point hurts and demotivates especially those who still have to trade to become part of the real game.
Your nerfs of price run completely against this one. Pirates cannot cargo-pirate someone who is not there any more.
I am all for buffing risk and piracy. But keep it interesting for the ore traders, or your whole construct will never work.
Risk and reward need to be in relation. Your pricing killed that, even without adding a real cargo piracy threat.
Furthermore, some off-lane routes have no bottlenecks in them, AND are very short at the same time - therefore profiting twice. Uncut Diamonds and the Core ore selling point come to the mind immediately.
Quote:- made me aware that ores are massively overpriced compared to other commodities and after a discussion we agreed it would be best to make the target credits per second per unit (called c/s/u in the future) heavily drop.
- Ores now pay only slightly higher than contraband, with the difference that the mining time is accounted for in route duration twice (one for the miner, one for the transport). Furthermore, unlike contraband, ore stays legal unless the governing bodies of the region decide otherwise.
I have the feeling that this mistake is already being reverted, so I'll not put much effort on it.
Just this: It's a wrong call that will cost Disco dearly in activity and interaction, will buff solo activity and kill off cooperative action.
Quote:- The majority of fields have been made non-interactable by players within gameplay only. In roleplay, these fields are not mined out unless the story or a story developer point out that they are.
Good call in general.
Now fields will have to be placed in fair locations, so that the participating parties have equal chances. Fields and NPC bases should be around roughly 30k from each other. E.g. Mollys in Dublin are kind of screwed now with the only field in Chester hole location. They have a mining bonus and no way in hell to reach any base if under attack (I'd guess 70+ k from next Molly base).
Fields should be place in a central location (like the stars in some systems), and NPC bases for the mining factions should be at the same distance around it. Gameplay is very important in these mining aspects.
Quote:- Mining rates have been adjusted on all remaining fields so that they yield the same amount of cargo on average as current high-yield fields
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Good call. This was really stupid in the old version.
Tnx for cleaning it up.
Quote:Ore prices are no longer rough estimates without any visible system behind them, but instead calculated through a few simple factors, making each route pay equally per time travelled.
In general: good call.
Now please just take the "route used in reality" and not the one you think that "should be used".
Guess which one is the strongest route again because hole shortcuts are used? Yes. Uncut Diamonds.
Also some routes that go throgh empty space are not fair. And in addition to short off-lane routes: Where are the bottlenecks in Omicron afk-cruising? Or in O9, O5, Cam afk-cruises?
Quote:- Trader activity will be focused on two routes mainly, whereas one is objectively worse than the other but an alternative for example if you only want to play in a single-ID group or consider one route too dangerous because of current pirate activity on the way.
Generally no problem with that, however: Make sure that a faction's main ore can go to the high selling point in reality.
IMG Niobium goes to a GMS base (no-dock rephack)
Same for BMM, I was told.
And I bet there are many more main ores that the main mining ID cannot sell to the high selling point.
Jack
