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Ships new to Discovery

The list of ships that are new in Discovery certainly does not belong into the Ships category as descriptive text.

If you look at the pages Fighters, Freighters, etc., you'll notice that they are split into stock and Discovery lists. Each ship new to discovery that has a page will have the 'Discovery content' Category set. I think that this list should be merged into those ship types pages.

Nodwick 11:16, 19 May 2008 (GMT)

I certainly agree. That's why the list is temporary. It might help us to determine what pages are yet to be made for the ships. I do think that we need this list somewhere but don't know yet where to put it. It doesn't seem to fit any of the current locations. The problem with not having the list is that new players dont know what IS the new ships. The Discovery Content category will have all ships as all ships have been changed in some way (for example the Defender - the only thing that has changed is the selling location - effectively the same ship as in Vanilla FL. --Chovynz 11:19, 19 May 2008 (GMT)

I think that the turret on the Discovery Defender is class 2 instead of class 4, actually. But I'm not dure and I don't currently have the chance to check it.

If you think that it's important and you don't think that it's viable to check the 5 Ship categories pages (fighters, freighters, transports, bombers, capital ships) - which are split by discovery/original freelancer already - then we could make a page for that. Might be a bit overkill, though.

Nodwick 11:32, 19 May 2008 (GMT)

Template Format

Saved for reference. Might be substituting. Depends on whether I can get the ship template working properly so that other people just put stuff in, instead of formulas. Use Edit

{ {Ship |SellName=Crusader |FullName= |Description=Known as the "crown royale" of the heavy fighter class, the Crusader is the cornerstone of the military and civilian authorities of Bretonia. Used largly to enforce the will of the crown, this ship is designed at it's core to deliver as significant a beating as it is able to withstand. Thus, the Crusader is an optimal choice for its survivability and also its offensive capabilities. |Class=Heavy Fighter |ClassLink=Fighters#Heavy_Fighters_2 |Guns=6 |Turrets=0 |Armor=2600 |Cargo=35 |Batts=20 |Bots=20 |OptWep=3 |MaxWep=5 |MaxShield= |Price= |Level= |Equip=Mines, Countermeasures, Cruise Disruptors / Torpedos |PlaceSold=Battleship Norfolk, Cambridge System |WeaponSlot1= |WeaponSlot2= |WeaponSlot3= |WeaponSlot4= |WeaponSlot5= |WeaponSlot6= |WeaponSlot7= |WeaponSlot8= |WeaponSlot9=


|}}

Minor edits

Please only set the minor edit flag for your edits when they are indeed minor, for example if you just fixed a link, added a link without changing the text, fixed typos / spelling / grammar etc..

If you add or delete something, please do not set the minor edit flag, that's misleading.

Nodwick 11:54, 19 May 2008 (GMT)


Thanks. I wasn't sure. I presume you're talking about the "Is anyone getting lag?" bit in ooRP?
--Chovynz 11:58, 19 May 2008 (GMT)
I meant the list of discovery ships, where you marked the remove on the new ships page as minor (>1200 characters difference, though).
Nodwick 12:05, 19 May 2008 (GMT)


How do I change the titles of pages? For example:

Chovynz 13:55, 21 May 2008 (GMT)

Pages going to be added

Weapons

Ships


Yay! I'm really looking forward to this, will make the Wiki much more valuable in my eyes. Will you make the CSV page in the formatting like the Defender?

While you're at it, maybe you can rework the Crusader and Rogue Gunboat pages? Those are in a different format and dead-end pages.

Nodwick 07:13, 21 May 2008 (GMT)

Defender is the one to copy I take it? Chovynz 08:59, 21 May 2008 (GMT)
Well, you can also take Liberty Gunboat if you want. But I suggest using the one that's closest to the CSV in terms of statistics - the Defender is closer than the Gunboat, that's for sure. Nodwick 09:50, 21 May 2008 (GMT)

Things to keep as templates

Commodities 

==Description==
==Selling Locations==

[[Category: Commodities]]

Ships 

==Full Name==

==Description==

==Statistics==
*Ship Class: [[Fighters#Light_Fighters|Light Fighter]] [[Fighters#Heavy_Fighters|Heavy Fighter]] [[Fighters#Very_Heavy_Fighters|Very Heavy Fighter]] [[Fighters#Light_Fighters_2|Light Fighter]] [[Fighters#Heavy_Fighters_2|Heavy Fighter]] [[Fighters#Very_Heavy_Fighters_2|Very Heavy Fighter]][[Freighters|Freighter]] [[Transports|Transport]] [[Bombers|Bomber]]
*Guns: 
*Turrets: 
*Hull: 
*Cargo: 
*Maximum Shield Batteries/Nanobots: 
*Optimal Weapon Class: 
*Maximum Weapon Class: 
*Maximum Shield Class: 
*Maximum Impulse Speed: 
*Power Output: 
*Power Recharge Rate: 
*Hull Only Price: 
*Full Price: 
*Additional Equipment: [[Mines]], [[Countermeasures]], [[Torpedoes|Torpedo]]/[[Cruise Disruptors|Cruise Disruptor]] x2 None

==Handling==

==Weapons==
* [[Class Guns|Class Gun]]
* [[Class Turrets|Class Turret]]

==Places Sold==
* 

[[Category: Discovery content]]
[[Category: Ships]]

My Sig 

*[[User:Chovynz|Chovynz]]'' ([[User talk: Chovynz|My Mind]])
([[Special:Contributions/Chovynz|My Ego]]) <sup>4:27pm, 13 July 2008 (GMT+12)</sup>

Guns pages:

{{Weapon main
| Full-Name = 

| Description = 

| Places-Sold = 
* New York

| See-also = 
* [[Class 4 Guns]]

}}

{{Weapon stats
| Gun-Class = 
| Hull-Damage = 
| Shield-Damage = 
| Range = 
| Projectile-Speed = 
| Refire-Rate = 
| Energy-Usage = }}

[[Category: Weapons]]
Statistics
Gun Class: Gun-Class
Hull Damage Per Shot: Hull-Damage
Shield Damage Per Shot: Shield-Damage
Range: Range
Projectile Speed: Projectile-Speed
Refire Rate: Refire-Rate
Energy Usage: Energy-Usage


Possible Parameters
Gun-Class
Hull-Damage
Shield-Damage
Range
Projectile-Speed
Refire-Rate
Energy-Usage

Weapon Main section Background Template (DO NOT USE UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING)

Full Name
Full-Name

Description
Description

Places Sold
Places-Sold

See also:
See-also


Possible Parameters
Full-Name
Description
Places-Sold
See-also
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Editing format

Does it really need to have:

  • Planet Manhattan, New York System, Liberty

Or can it just have:

  • Planet Manhattan

Seriously. Tumble-Weed (ComLink) (Holocron) 08:02, 2 June 2008 (GMT)

Cancel my last. Igiss responded, your way is better. Tumble-Weed (ComLink) (Holocron) 08:05, 2 June 2008 (GMT)

Newcomer asking for advice

Hello!

I am quite new to this wiki and I would appreciate some advice. The price listed on ship pages should be the price of the hull only, or the ship and equipment usually sold with it? You edited the Cavalier price back to the "with equipment" price and I am not sure if that was your mistake, your intention or my mistake.

Also, one matter I addressed on the Fighters page - some vanilla ships are listed with their vanilla stats and some with Disco stats. I expect the Disco stats should be there, but I am not sure.

Another one comes to mind... The list of selling locations should be complete or some cut version thereof? I put a full list in Crusader, but maybe it is considered a spoiler.

Thanks in advance, MarvinCZ 13:05, 9 July 2008 (GMT)

Hi! Thanks for contacting me.
1) My personal preference would be to use the full price. When I came here as a new person and saw some of the prices (CSV - $162,000), I saved up to that amount and then went to buy it. Surprise! I didn't have enough money (182,000). I had hoped to help other new players avoid that particular frustration. However, Igiss has said to use the Readme information. If you feel it should be the full price, feel free to ask Igiss to change his mind. Also if you spot any mistakes that I have done concerning this, feel free to correct them. I know some people have been using screenshots, which has the full price on them, and other have been using the readme (which seems incomplete to me). As for my methods, I use Datastorm and FLStats. I have found that using those two, I can input a huge amount of data very quickly. I have been using the Datastorm price. I don't know what the readme says, but in the ones I have checked...all of them were a different price to the price in Datastorm (and in the full game). And as I said before. Igiss wants the readme price used.
(In short, please change the price if I have input the datastorm price on it.)
2) Vanilla stats should not be here. If you spot any mistakes please change them to Disco stats. I have been concentrating on getting the individual pages up. When the indiviual pages are all up I intend on going through the lists and fixing/updating as necessary.
3) The list of selling locations should be complete.
Thanks. Keep up the great work!
Chovynz 02:26, 11 July 2008 (GMT)
Thanks for the reply, it was very helpful.
But it seems I will have more trouble with the prices, because the vanilla ships don't have their stats in the readme. So yes, it really is incomplete. My way was looking directly into ini files for the price of the "hull", which is the same as the ship without equipment ingame (I checked on several ships). It seems the readme may also be out of date in cases. I looked at the Arrow and its readme price (1,744,000) is lower even than its hull price (1,814,000). In many cases the price in readme equals the hull price, so I will use that for the vanilla ships. I hope you won't mind.
I understand your concern about the full vs. hull prices. I will have a better look at it, but I really think the readme and hull prices are supposed to be equal. I personally think the hull price should be included, it seems more precise. MarvinCZ 18:24, 12 July 2008 (GMT)
I asked Igiss for us to use the full price and to get some better direction in this issue, and he replied as such: "Hey, Do as you like. But remember that I may change price of components without reflecting it in readme, while changing base price always gets reflected. Regards, Igiss". Now this explains it to me why the Readme is set at that lower level and it is a good point, but I think if some people (who are not the admins or mods) in the Disco community or the entire community itself, take the responsibility to make sure the data is updated on the wiki, I think it won't be a problem if we use the full price. As long as the wiki is updated at each release I think it will be ok.
For now I'll continue to add ships, but leave the price out until this issue is resolved. At the very minimum the hull price should be used.
One idea I had is to show both prices. I'm not sure about this idea as it might add another column to the ship lists, and will another field to the individual pages. Might be worth having both prices in the individual pages only. What do you think? I am all for more helpful info on the wiki.
Chovynz 04:11, 13 July 2008 (GMT)
I can look up the hull prices quite quickly, about half a minute each if I do multiple. I can go through the ship lists, checking the the hull prices against the readme and correcting data as I go. I went through the vanilla fighters where the Readme had no info, so I just added the hull prices. The hull price could clash with readme on the new ships though. I will write down those ships so we will know how many of those there is and how they deviate. I would ask for your approval, but I will rather do it right away, it can always be reverted.
I thought about including the full price aswell. It would be additional work, but useful information. I would do it, but keep it in the individual pages only. The ship lists are wide enough already and one price is enough there. Having both prices will also help editors decide which price to put where. MarvinCZ 14:42, 13 July 2008 (GMT)


Alright so its agreed? Both prices on the individual page. Hull prices on the main lists? I think you should do it according to the ini files hull price and update Igiss on the ships that needs updating on the readme.
Chovynz 23:51, 13 July 2008 (GMT)
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