from: Persephone II
to: council
"ahh, forgive my interruption, but i am curious about an issue and since the JG representative is currently present.... i ll just step in. several news had arrived the zoners news terminals lately, one was a troubling one about one of the JGs transports being targetted by the RoS, one of the prime outcast families, - the other was even stranger. the JG offering to hunt down a target given by the NovaPG.
i am sorry for my ignorance, but what politics are that, that allow you to collect a bounty from allies of those that kill want a mate of you dead? - last news i heard, the novapg were still grovelling in the dust before their outcast masters, who sold them a battleship.
i do hope that this twisted allying won t fall back onto zoners. - while i must admit that i am not too happy to see a zoner affiliated mercenary unit to take up bounties for a known ruthless and cunning terrorist organization, i am even more surprised that you do it while the close friends of those put a 20 million bounty on your transports.
but maybe i have been too far away from real politics. - so maybe you want to enlighten me there
E. Tate out"
"I guess I will simply go down the list here."
"First; the said individual was Space Tracker, whom I realize was booted from he JG quickly. However, this isn't an isolated incident. I guess this ties into my response to your fifth point. A JG attack on the Liberty Rogues, whom you say are good friends of yours? This attack was against an LR by two membes of the Navy. as well as Mastodon from the JG, and.. Well you should remember. You were the fourth ship, in your own Rheinland Bomber. There was no evidence of a contract to do this, especially considering there was a Navy Dreadnaught and cruiser there, they would hardly need the help of a Jupiter bomber and fighter, which supports my belief that you attacke the Rogues for no other reason than he was a pirate and you wanted to shoot something?"
"Second, and the one where you have begun to dig your own grave. The AW ID was granted to us by the Zoner Guard, and this council has determined it to be the equal of the Zoner ID since the its beginning."
"Fourthly, as we seem to be missing a third point; The war with the Corsairs was not started by the AW, but rather came about via the Corsair's backing of the SCRA, whom they now fight for sound reasons. I wish it had come about earlier, for we could have avoided the war ever happening. Every attack against Gamma was the retaliation of attacks on AW or Theta. And no, I cannot name any AW that was kille by your organization. As I stated earlier, the three incidents where you attacked our forces ended in a failed attempt by the JG and the Corsairs that hired you to do it. The first was by a Rheinland Gunboat, the second by a Taiiden bomber. The first was in Omega-41, not Gamma. That system is home to Freeport 5 and a neighbor of Theta, so please do not attempt to preach territorial allowances to me. The second was in Omega-5."
"And I believe I already answered your fifth point."
"For your sixth point I cannot give the name of a corporation you went to war with, but hostility is hardly limited to open war. You took countless contracts against the Outcasts, especially during the AW's fight with the Corsairs. So many that you were to the point of being constantly hostile to the Outcasts. An for much less reason than the AW had to go after the Corsairs, in fact you did it for nothing more important than money."
"And for my last point, I'll name it my third one, since it seems to be lacking; Yes, you worked toward trying to get the TBH and AW war to end, but there were peace treaties offered long before you came around with the idea, and the majority of the negotiations and agreements were handled by members of the TBH and AW high command. And you say I should refer to your previous transmissions for what you've done for the Zoners? I see two reasons among a sea of reasons as to why most would classify you as mercenaies and traders, not Zoners. Furthermore, it isn't the job of the Zoners to drop food for the Corsairs. It is the Corsairs responsibility to pay for and ship, or pay us to ship their puchased goods, to Crete. The free giving of food to the Cretian population disrupts the delicate power balance in the Omicron region. Maybe now you see why things have been done in the way they have been by the people of Freeport 9."
Ah, Persephone II,
Can you please give some names as well please....is it the same idividual ?
ok m8, going to follow your same list.......
1. There was a contract between LSF and JG. If you hadent noticed, when the bounty on LSF officers was put out, all mercs were kicked out of liberty, we were not. JG made a deal to protect LSF to make sure our ships could stay in liberty. I understand that you may not know the whole story, but thats the truth. Contracts are not necessarily money all the time. Some times its Barter.Once all these new BH, Independant Caps started showing up, JG backed off.....rather helping OC, LH, and LR lately. Ask Gravaton if you think I am lying. (I cant give details how).
2. The AW ID was granted to us by the Zoner Guard, well by your logic the JG were given a seat on the zoner council by the zoners, after knowing all the facts about us. Which I believe would be considered more legitimate as it is the Council of Zoners...not the of Zoners and Zoner Guards and all the people that Zoner Guards provided an ID to. If that is what your issue is, make it only for Zoner ID's. No exceptions. The council allows Zoner affiliates that is why you and I are there. Or else tell me where these zoner Guards are and I can ask them to give us a JG ID too......(difference between RP and a Mod element)
3. Missing third point so cant comment:)
4. And JG attacked these individuals in Theta? Again we as JG do not consider AW to be zoners... you are Zoner affiliates at best who were attacking out of their territory. Unless you consider Gamma, O5 an AW territory as well.
5. Answered.
6.Countless contracts against OC's ? excuse me? Can you list 5 here in the last 1 year we have been here ? [\JG/]Fighters try to avoid alpha and only visit it under small ships or traders. We are primarily trade wing escorts not Bounty Hunters... we some times take bounties but it is regardless of who that individual is. It is not an every day affair for us.
7. You want me to search thru and send you all the posts where you stated you had given up on a treaty because TBH were not listening?
I think all this have been said before and is being said again. Please look through past posts. JG's rp has been the same as Page 1 on this forum. Nothing has changed. Do let me know if you are still curious about anything.
from: Persephone II, E. Tate
to: council of zoners
"ignore my recent concern. it was answered allready by now. it was not a critizism about the JGs politics, but only a concern about the JGs political status.- since you are zoner related, the JG is certainly one of the few groups that would be activly assisted against a foe by zoner civilians and guards. - but its just important to know clearly how the political situation is shaped.
the concern was about the individual JG space tracker indeed. - but like i said, it was allready cleared up. recently, we have all sort of folks around freeport 11. come colonials or however they call themselves have asked officially to use the station for deep space exploration, militaries of all sorts visit the station on a daily base, outcasts, corsairs, bounty hunters. - so i like to be up to date if there are any problems around.
but so far, everyone has kept a very civil tone around the safe zone of the station. other than this confusion, the JGs contracts are mostly their business on a professional base, so i don t ask about it.
E.Tate out"
(OOC: First keep your posts IN CHARACTER. I thought my subtle way of saying it by writing fully RP posts was good enough, but apparently not.)
So your saying that you worked for the lawfuls of Liberty, now the unlawfuls. So instead of worrying about the Rogues and Hackers being mad at us, we have to worry about the Navy, Security Force, and Police instead? And I hardly believe that all the Rogues and Hackers feel so good about you as you think they do.
Yes, the JG were given a seat on the Zoner council, and that is specifically what is under review right now. The AW ID was backed by the council as equal, and until now the JG were considered Zoners. However that is what is under review. It is whether you continue to be a voting member of the council, or an associate of it, and whether the 'mercenary' actions of a group claiming to be Zoners might be ruining our relations with other factions in Sirius.
Ah, well it does not matter whether the JG considers the AW to be Zoners, this council does however. And since your faction has claimed that it has had no wars, you obviously would not understand how they are conducted. Do you think we could hardly get the Corsairs to accept a peace treaty when they have not suffered from any attacks, but only had to launch their own without fear of retaliation? And you claim the JG defend Theta with their capital ships. Now, why is that when you have no influence or territory in the said system, or its surrounding ones? Especially when the AW are already doing that job, I think we have a bit of a conflict. And your wishes or interests don't override ours in that system.
And for your fourth point, do you think it mattered to us whether you attacked us in Theta or elsewhere? Either way you attacked us for money offered by the Corsairs we were fighting, whom you tried to help win the fights in the said systems and times this happened. We could be attacked by the Liberty Navy in Bretonia and we'd still care, even though its not Theta. You seem to have a skewed perception of territory and diplomacy, which is demonstrated by your faction's actions.
And your contracts against the Outcasts happened during our war with the Corsairs, and yes, it was a daily affair. Maybe not now, but then you did. And you did it for money.
And true, there were two times we just about gave up trying to talk to the Brotherhood because of their lack of response to our proposals, and that is why we stepped up our attacks upon Gamma, to force them or give them more incentive to agree to them, and this did influence the end result, as did the actions of the AW High Command. But what are these 'posts' your refer to? In all my travels throughout Sirius I have not encountered anything called such.
And please stop trying to delay the issue that is really being discussed here by arguing with my about the AW. The JG are under review, the AW have done quite the opposite of you in terms of keeping neutrality with others. We leave them be, not take contracts against them. Now if you have any real explanations for your actions, please state them, and why your status should not be considered as 'Associate' rather than a voting member, and maybe I'll withdraw my support for the lowering of your status.
Ok... I am done running around in circles....and trying to explain our point of view.
Look at our ID... we are not ZONERS.....we are ZONER affiliated MERCS. Any thing we do has to do with JG, not the coucil we have a seat on.
I would love to see if AW is willing to RP as zoners from now onwards as well, cause any one you shoot will be an enemy of Zoners by your twisted logic.
Please vote and get it done and over with.
PEACE
"So by your own words you are affiliates and have nothing to do with this council? There is nothing left to discuss."
Ma'am, let some one else speak if you are not comprehending what I am saying...
My admission is as such... We are Zoner Mercs aka Zoner affiliates.
Where did I say I had nothing to do with the coucil of Zoners?
If you are questioning us for that matter. I expect AW to pack their bags too, cause that is what AW are...zoner affiliates. Nothin more nothing Less.
Twist however you want, AW is not Zoners. Whether the Zoner GOD came down from Olympus to give you an AW ID, he did not give you the Zoner id, period.
Now Vote and stop trying to put words in my mouth.
Also please see what JINX stated.....we have not been a liability to Zoners in any manner. One issue was dealt with quickly.
I know you dont like JG and I can deal with it. But remember there is more than you and I at the council. Let them speak too.
PEACE.